Rohin Shah

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We would want to do like broader control mitigations at that point.

And so certainly our time horizon is not incredibly short.

I'm just saying it's not all the way out to superintelligence.

So we are doing a fair bit of long-term planning.

Perhaps you would call it medium-term planning.

Yeah, well, I maybe want to be a little wary about the word committing.

Planning to do.

But yes, I think...

Yeah, the untrusted insider stuff is definitely particularly interesting.

I think we didn't go into quite that much detail in the paper, actually, which is a bit sad.

Mostly our thinking wasn't quite as developed on it as it is now.

But basically, if you actually think about the mechanics of what an AI system would have to do in order to take over, it's quite hard.

you know, among other things, it probably wants to be able to

make sure that it isn't monitored as it starts thinking about what to do.

So maybe it wants to set up a deployment where all the monitors are turned off that we don't even know is happening.

So perhaps it could exfiltrate its weights and then run itself on different compute that we don't control.

But if it has to exfiltrate itself, how is it going to do that?

Google security is not trivial to evade.

In fact, it's pretty hard.

It's pretty good security.

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