Ronan Farrow

So this goes to your big point, right?

There's a lack of guardrails, a lack of accountability.

And since then, what we've seen in AI

is a lot of these researchers who are closest to the safety concerns saying over and over again, this is becoming a situation where all of the labs, even ones like there's a company, Anthropic, if anyone listening has used Claude, which was founded by some of these people who left OpenAI because they didn't trust Sam Altman and they wanted to be the safety guys.

They're also watering down some of their safety commitments.

They're also in an environment where there's less and less space for AI labs to focus on safety.

I think this is a case, Jennifer, where we just need outside eyes on this tech, and we just don't have a political environment where that's happening meaningfully.

Part of what we write about in the piece is that Sam Altman during the Biden administration was saying, regulate us.

This is so dangerous, you might even need to take control of this.

And he was in there with Biden administration officials, you know, really hammering out like we've got to get more guardrails on this tech and presenting himself that way.

And then the moment that Donald Trump was in, he was right there in the first days of the administration announcing these massive infrastructure deals that are going to put

potentially dangerous AI capacity into the Middle East.

We're seeing right now during the Iran conflict, threats from Iran to strike a planned data center in Abu Dhabi that is a product of all of this lobbying from Sam Maltman.

The backdrop of this is developing advanced AI just takes an incredible amount of money.

And a lot of the business dealings we described in this company were about Sam knocking on different doors, particularly in the Middle East, trying to get that money.

And the Biden administration was somewhat alarmed by this.

And he actually was in a security clearance vetting process that we write about and we get internal emails related to, where experts on security clearances said,

We don't think this guy can get through because he has all of these foreign entanglements and he's raising all this money.

The moment Trump came in, all of the regulate us went away and all of the money from the Middle East could flow freely.

And, you know, there are safety people in this piece who say that is incredibly dangerous.