Rory Stewart

Thank you, Mark, for listening.

Thank you, everybody who's joined us.

Does Starmer really want his legacy to be the PM who ushered in one of the most far-right governments in UK history?

Does he not have the self-awareness to see how he is a big part of the problem, rightly or wrongly?

Surely he has to understand the only chance Labour have is through starting fresh.

So this is, again, the Biden critique, right?

The problem with hanging on is you end up with Trump.

The problem with hanging on is you're taking the risk of ending up with Farage.

Here's another question for you from Hester.

Thank you, Tim, for sending it to us.

Will Labour, Greens and even Tories wake up and start forming a pact against reform, calling them out for what they are, pointing out their failures?

frauds, single policies, Trump supporting rhetoric, etc.

This is what the Dutch parties did so well with Geert Wilders.

It's also what, to give him credit, the German chancellor has done by refusing to make a pact with the AFD.

So that's why I'm very disturbed to see Camille Badenoch giving the impression that she's sort of leaving that out.

Can we just pause on that for a second?

Because

We don't talk enough about the Lib Dems.

And actually, there are substantial figures.

I mean, you know, what have they got?