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Rory Sutherland

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
2934 total appearances

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The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

What's the difference between marketing and advertising?

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

Advertising is a subordinate part of marketing.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

And in many cases, even I've worked in advertising for 36 years, I want to think of myself probably unsuccessfully, but I still aspire to be a marketer, not an advertising person, because advertising is a useful toolkit available to the marketer.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

And by the way, generally is pretty effective.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

But Peter Drucker, the purpose of business is to find and keep a customer profitably.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

That's the purpose of marketing.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

It's to, you know, to either create or find customers with whom over time you can engage in mutually advantageous relationships to mutual profit.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

That's it.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

Well,

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

The story I heard from someone who worked at Dyson for 12 years is that he was sitting in a presentation, James Dyson presiding, and they were presenting the call center sort of efficiency statistics.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

By the way, I'm absolutely fanatical about call centers because I'm terrified that in an AI age, people will try and effectively automate them.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

I think what you should do instead is make them slightly smaller but a lot better.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

because I don't think you can substitute for the human in cases of unusual problems, special circumstances, empathy, generally.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

Don't get me wrong, I think you can get AI empathy.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

I'm not suggesting that AI is going to be completely unempathic.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

But at some point, it's rather like the equivalent of I want to speak to the manager.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

There will be situations where you want to speak to a person who can understand your specific situation and has the power to intervene to override the normal...

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

rules and regulations to solve your problem because it is commonsensical to do so.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

Even if, you know, our service level agreement doesn't normally allow us to send out a replacement part.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

In this case, since your part is faulty... Somebody who has the power to do the right thing.