Rose Rimler

Fact-checking by Diane Kelly.

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Hi, I'm Rose Rimler, and this is Science Versus.

Today we're sharing an episode from another show that we like.

It's a podcast called Proxy.

It's hosted by Yoé Shaw, who you might remember from the podcast Invisibilia.

In Proxy, Yoé kind of functions as an emotional investigative journalist.

She starts with a guest who is going through something tough or confusing, something no one else they know can relate to, and then she finds the perfect person for them to talk to, to act as a proxy.

She'll find someone who's been there, who understands the problem, and can hopefully help that person get less stuck.

The episode we're sharing today is about something near and dear to us at Science Versus, fact-checking.

Yo-Wei talks to a journalist who can't stop fact-checking his mother-in-law.

But in this situation, it's particularly fraught because his mother-in-law is losing her memory.

She has Alzheimer's.