Ross Douthat

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4,896 appearances 23 recordings 5 series first heard Jan 2026 last heard 27 Aug

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Interesting Times · Ross Douthat and Ezra Klein on the Art of Persuasion · 27 Aug 2026 podcast

But generally he's engaged in this sort of constant r like wrestling with voice-verified

The texts of the Old Testament and the Christian story and so on, and saying, you know, these are incredibly important and we need to, you know, preserve them without ever actually committing to Christian belief. voice-verified

And conservatism generally, I think, as Christianity has declined, has ended up in this weird place where it's trying to find some kind of category that includes Christianity. voice-verified

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isn't reducible to it. voice-verified

So it's like, well, we're defending Western civilization, right? voice-verified

You'll you'll hear that a lot from people on the right. voice-verified

And and often like that language is associated with people on the right who are not themselves formally committed to Christianity. voice-verified

But so Tate Tate is an extreme voice-verified

But even Peterson himself is sort of navigating in the kind of post-Christian landscape in his own way. voice-verified

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So two two things happen. voice-verified

One is um at the mass level, Christianity just declines. voice-verified

It declines sharply between the late nineteen nineties and twenty twenty. voice-verified

And that means that just inevitably the kinds of appeals and rhetoric and argument that are sort of normative on the right when lots of people are going to church are less normative when fewer people are going to church. voice-verified

And that's a very simple story, but I think it you know it does a lot of explanatory work as voice-verified

A culture gets less formally Christian, it's not surprising that its leadership would get less formally Christian. voice-verified

Trump is, again, an extreme case. voice-verified

He takes he takes a trend to an extreme, right? voice-verified

Where he is just sort of nakedly transactional in his relationship to Christianity and doesn't even sort of necessarily mouth the pieties. voice-verified

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