Ross Douthat

And I just wanted to put that scenario to you and get your thoughts on it.

Now- Isn't it possible, not that Netanyahu manipulated Trump into war, but that Netanyahu, among others-

not just him, sold Trump on the idea that regime change could happen faster, right?

Like, again, you've given me a story of, you know, regime change happening as a result of this war over a two-year time horizon.

Doesn't it seem like Trump looked at Venezuela and, you know, thought, I punch Iran hard and in six weeks there's a new regime and maybe the Israelis were happy to sort of flatter that delusion?

But what you're saying then is that there is this fundamental gap, I think, between Israel's goals and the United States.

Because Israel, in that description, Israel's goal has to be regime change at almost any cost.

And I live in the United States of America.

I know what even very pro-Israel people think in the United States of America.

And that's just not going to be the American position.

Regime change at all costs.

All right.

Let's leave it there.

Mark Dubowitz, thank you so much for joining me.

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