Ross Douthat

To draw the colonists.

No, I made you pick one.

We do need an economic driver for sure.

Okay, last question.

Just in the last 10 minutes, you said repeatedly, we don't have any evidence of any civilizations beyond Earth, let alone advanced civilizations.

We're conducting this interview after President Trump, who you've praised repeatedly in this conversation, said that he was planning to declassify material related to UFOs, what gets called UAPs now.

He described it as something like a very complex and interesting topic.

Does NASA have anything to declassify that would be of interest to viewers of this program?

So that puts you in the camp that says a lot of the UAP UFO sort of encounters and also sort of vapors around it are covers for human technologies.

That makes sense.

Although I will say that

There have been a number of UFO reports related to nuclear facilities.

And you could imagine some reasons why a extraterrestrial species would be interested in our nuclear capacities.

I could also imagine that... Or even these capacities here.

All right.

On that refreshingly concrete answer, Jared Isaacman, thank you so much for joining me.

No, thank you.

Great questions.

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