Ross Douthat

But then you have, especially just in the last couple of years on the right, a flip against a sense of like Indian Americans.

You know, there's abuse of H-1B visas, people sort of forming ethnic mafias inside Silicon Valley.

That kind of narrative takes hold.

How do you how do you see that?

60% of them were for Indians.

Do you think that there is a kind of...

natural political or ideological direction that the Indian diaspora in the U.S.

takes.

Historically, Indian Americans, I think, have tended to vote for the Democrats like most immigrant groups.

The Trump administration definitely courted them.

You have prominent Indian American Republicans.

But if you were placing a bet on the political direction of the Indian American community, what would you...

Why?

No, well, and I think your point about assimilation is well taken.

I think people, liberals and progressives sometimes underestimate how

embracing a certain kind of nationalism as an outsider can be a way to assimilate, right?

Which is why it's not always the case that immigrants or minorities are just sort of natural liberals.

Is the European landscape, does that look different?

So in the UK, right, you have a lot of Indians in elite roles.

Now that Europe is opening further, do you see the Indian diaspora playing a big role in the European landscape?