Rowan Jacobsen

Yeah.

I remember that article.

It was great.

And also you said none of the like the caffeine researchers touch the stuff.

That's not good.

But yeah, he he went right back to it.

And I think he's a proud coffee drinker.

No, but I'd like to actually, I think.

They have so far really avoided.

Like, they just say, you know, we're not ready to look at any of that research.

God, that's so weird.

I think it's going to change.

I think actually, like I said, I think light medicine is actually going to become very important in the next 10, 20 years.

And dermatologists are kind of positioned to be, like, the leaders on that stuff because, like,

skin is the primary interface with light for our bodies.

And they should be experts on all this.

Red light therapy is a big thing now.

And dermatologists are doing that, even though the evidence isn't great for that.

But I think there's probably something there.

But they should basically, I think they need to be thinking more about all these different wavelengths of light as healing modalities and how to work them into regular programs.