Roz Gold-Onwude
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And a terror, historic terror on defense, you know? But I think it's cool that you got to see two perspectives of her, like her early in her career and then later as a coach, you know, her fully blossomed as a player. And, you know, you've got an interesting roster that you're heading into as the head coach. And we like focus in on the now for the Indiana Fever roster.
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You've got a unique locker room. It is undoubtedly super talented, but it's such a mashup of unique personalities. And I'll also say established storylines for each of these players. Like there aren't some players that like haven't figured out what they're about or like the storyline hasn't been created for them in the W. And you've got all of this coming into your locker room.
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So, you know, season's on the way. What are going to be your first priorities? Maybe even exercises in creating common ground and meshing this team.
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Ready to go.
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That is a great walk through all of the additions, all of the star power and muscle that you have joining the team this season. And you mentioned the big three. I'll guide you through it. Let's start talking about them. Let's start with Kaitlyn Clark. You have a generational talent.
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Sometimes that word is thrown around, but I think it's really fitting here for Kaitlyn and her talent and her potential at the point guard position. So Kaitlyn Clark. was on an alternate broadcast with Diana Taurasi and Sue Bird. And one of my favorite parts of it. So she's got a goal and she wants to have less technical fouls.
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I think it's a super exciting time right now in Dallas, getting Paige Beckers, getting the number one overall draft pick. It's hard for me to say that Paige suddenly becomes the face of basketball in Dallas when Arike Ogumbawale is on that team and heading into her seventh season there. And you also got Dejanay Carrington. I mean, these are full-blown stars on this team.
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And, you know, she plays with such passion and fire. And of course, sometimes that spills over and sometimes that can, you know, show very visibly. But a lot of times the passion is good. So like, what's your immediate reaction to that? Did Diana give her any advice? No.
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I think this is why it's so great that you're a coach here because as a broadcaster covering you as a coach, players have often said you're a player's coach. And like, I feel like this is one of those moments where like, you've got a good feel for it in working with her. Okay. So besides this decreasing texts, we already know that Caitlin has put on some, some strength and muscle.
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She had that viral picture. You saw that.
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She said it was AI. Yeah. No, but we know she's putting work in the weight room. But besides those two things, what aspects of her game would you like to work with her on for this season?
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And I also think, like, there might be a natural transition period or adjustment period. Being a guard in the WNBA is hard. Paige is built, wiry, and defenders are bigger, stronger, faster. My question is, can Paige keep up her efficiency as a shooter? I know that was something she was always obsessed with and loved. But her shooting ability will create spacing.
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Another part of the list, too, takes a look at Aaliyah Boston because that two-player game between Kaitlyn Clark and Aaliyah Boston, by the end of the season, Steph, it really had a lot of growth and rhythm and flow to it. So what do you envision, you know, that part of the game, especially Aaliyah Boston here in year two of them together?
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If I'm Aaliyah Boston and I happen to be watching Good Follow Show and watching this interview, I would be so excited to hear all of like the accountability and opportunity you're giving her to potentially grow into. There is nothing like a facilitating big. But let me take you to Kelsey Mitchell, who is 29, I believe. So we are talking about prime years right now, okay? What's next level for her?
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Because we know she is a bucket, a bucket, a bucket.
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I think she's going to eat off of the spacing created for her by Arike Ogunbowale. And I also think Dallas now has so much wing depth, because it's not just Paige Beckers or Arike. They also added Aziah James, which is a great guard player out of the collegiate side. You have Ty Harris. You have Dijanae Carrington on the wing.
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I mean, we're already talking about an all star and Kelsey Mitchell, but like an even further breakout season, how exciting, you know, and you keep talking about defense, too. So I'm gonna be looking at the growth in the end there. We got a girl. I'm going to get you out on this one. This is just like a bigger picture way of looking at this upcoming season.
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Because last year, the Indiana Fever, and quite frankly, Caitlin Clark. saw unprecedented levels of attention, you know, and that meant coverage, fandom, and sometimes it could be hard on the players, even toxic. So I wanna just understand, like, I'm sure you had to have given some thought to this and stepping into this unique position on your philosophy of,
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protecting your players and also even players of other teams from toxic treatment, toxic coverage, things that may be hurtful for them as players last season did raise their hand and say, this was a lot.
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And I think that'll be big for Arike, who played the most minutes in the league last season, 38.6 minutes per game or something like that. My girl can have a chance to rest, which might be beautiful for the rest of the team. So that depth is exciting. But as far as Paige, she's so likable. She's easily marketable. Her teammates are welcoming her with open arms.
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I mean, mic drop. So well said. I couldn't support that more. So I think that's a wonderful way to finish this interview. And I truly appreciate any time I get to just kick it with you and talk hoops, learn. I'm just literally, I should be like taking notes. But I feel like, you know, this is a very important time in women's hoops, an exciting time for the Indiana fever.
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And I'm so glad you're at the helm of it. And I wish you the best of luck. I appreciate it. Thank you.
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Yeah. Thank you for the time.
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Welcome back to Good Follow, presented by DraftKings. I'm Roz, she's Logan, and that was head coach of the Indiana Fever, Stephanie White. We thank you, Steph, so much for joining us. Exciting times in Indy! Exciting times for our show, because Logan, you like games, right? I love a good game. Well, we got a game for you. Today we're playing a new game called Big Deal or No Big Deal. Love it.
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Look at all the tweets from Arike, everything. She's got a fan base that'll come with her. And I just think her lighthearted and personality and her being a great human and great teammate, which we've seen her demonstrate over the years, will be very welcome in a Dallas locker room that has a lot of new faces, a new coach. It's a new era. So I think it'll help everything mesh.
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No, they did it with the suitcases. I was waiting to see what they were going to pull up.
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I'll say a little of both. I'll say big deal in the sense that the players in the league right now are in negotiations of the CBA. It's a public discussion. And from a PR spin, it adds pressure on the WNBA to win the headline at minimum and also increase the compensation of the players. It's a no big deal in this way.
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Hey, what's up, everyone? Welcome to Good Follow, presented by DraftKings. I'm Roz Goldonwude. That's my girl, Logan Hackett. Logan, what's going on? How are you? I'm great. How are you? Girl, I'm good. I can't believe it's April already. Can you? Where's the time going?
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I want to caution people to keep perspective because Unrivaled just came off of a season managing 36 players over 10 weeks in one location. And they have six teams that are all league managed. They don't have franchises that a commissioner has to answer to owners for. It's a very different, less complex business model.
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And what works for unrivaled from a strategic standpoint may not necessarily be a best practice for the WNBA. So just keep perspective in these discussions. Now, do I think players could opt out of the WNBA to just only play the unrivaled season? Maybe. It's possible that that could happen.
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But I just think the larger women's basketball ecosystem and the players themselves need the WNBA to be a success. The WNBA needs to be the focal point of the women's basketball season. And it's the WNBA's success that ultimately leads to everything else, in my opinion.
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Yeah, I mean, certainly the WNBA could take some cues from what did go well for Unrivaled for sure.
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I think it's a big deal because all we can see is size, but all I can see is assists because you got Olivia Miles, and she's not just going out into the middle of nowhere. She's got now a full arsenal of huge-sized targets, but also targets that are very talented. These are all players who... played considerate roles, some of them on teams that were post-season caliber teams.
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She's got a squad of people to work with. And it also seems that players want to play for Coach Mark Campbell. And it feels like in the collegiate side, if you're a coach, either you're really great at retention or you're really great at recruiting. And for Mark Campbell, his task continues to be how quick he can mesh and gel these teams in these one-season windows.
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It's not a big deal to me, especially for next season. For me, UCLA is still going to be very good. They return a lot of their talent from last season, and that's really the issue, right? Because it's Lauren Betts, it's Kiki Rice, it's Gabby Jaquez, it's Mia Gardner, it's Duglich. They're adding Sienna Betts, more size. Charlize Ledger-Walker comes back after missing a season. She's very talented.
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So this is a team that's going to be not only talented, but very veteran, very experienced, and very deep. And so those younger players might have been looking at it and thinking, I want to play. I don't want to sit. I want to be a star. And for me, it looks more like a logistical issue more than it is a critique on the program or UCLA or their coach.
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I think they're going to be quite good.
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Logan, great job. I'm looking forward to checking that matchup out, but also looking forward to our quick hits and headlines. What do you got for us?
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Well, culture won at the draft, okay? How about my Africans standing up? So number two draft pick, Dominique Malunga. She's from France, but she made sure to shout out Cameroon and Congo. And of course, our girl Kiki, representing for the Nigerians out there, to the point of being so intentional that her outfit was literally designed by a Nigerian designer.
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Not only the clothes, but the jewelry too. And she looked like a trophy herself. She was just glistening gold. Golden. Even the blonde wig was a change up that I wasn't even expecting. My girl looked good. And speaking of culture, I want to shout out to Hina Pow Pow, who looked beautiful in her Samoan attire, just covered in all of the flowers. She looked regal.
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Who do you think was the best dressed?
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I'm so with you. I think Isaiah James and Anissa Murrow were the coolest on the carpet. Of course, shout outs. I thought Sonia Citron, I thought Haley Van Lith all looked very nice. Obviously, the number one draft pick, Paige, you know, did her thing, especially with her supersized coach bag. I love that. I love the new coach partnership with the WNBA. But I have a category.
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It wasn't their draft, but they stole the show. Yes, needed. So I have a category for the Rizzler herself, Nika Mule. Like, she is just so cool. You could put that same fit on somebody else, but you're either born with it or you're not. It's the shades, it's the poses. AZ Phan with the straight hair blowout. She looked amazing.
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And she changed it up because usually she does the like the two piece set with the crop top. And instead she gave us gown glam. So I was like, okay, AZ. And then Rekia Jackson. Yeah. Of course. Like supermodel. Not your draft, but y'all stole the show. You did your thing.
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Well, I think the league was trying to show generations of hoops, but not having Fee in the calendar year of 2025 on your promotional graphic for the W is very unserious. Fee is a top two player in the world right now. It's not like her team isn't good. They're a contender for the championship. She's a gold medalist. She is the reigning best defender in your league.
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She is the runner up for the MVP. If I'm Fee, use it as fuel. Like let's say Fi and the Lynx win, I'd be up there on the podium like they didn't even have me in the promotional graphics. That's how petty I would be about it. But maybe Fi would be classier, who knows? Hey, speaking of a classy finish, let's close the show in a nice way, Logan.
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Well, I'll just point out Haley Van Lith because I think in our last show, I said that I thought she'd go higher than people had predicted because her season at TCU was a success. Her tournament performance was a success. And I think that helped her go higher.
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And she comes in at number 11 in Chicago, and she's going to have the opportunity to not have everything be on her shoulders, but at the same time, she'll get to learn from Courtney Vandersloot. one of the great point guards of all a woman's basketball, a reunion with Angel Reese, which I think could be comfortable for her.
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And Tyler Marsh is a coach that's well-regarded as someone who works really well with players and develops them. It could be a nice fit for her.
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Well, the headline starts with Sedona Prince not getting drafted. And I think her size and stats alone should have allowed her to get drafted this year. But it was her conduct. It's the allegations of domestic violence that I think the GMs of the league made a cultural statement in not drafting her. And look, Sedona may end up in the WNBA and in the league, but she just...
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they wouldn't allow her to be rewarded by being drafted. So she's going to have to prove her way in. And I also think she didn't have a great final game of her collegiate season, plus her taking seven years to finish college and the injuries. I think that all went against her there. Another player that didn't get drafted, boy, Deja Kelly. First of all, she was decked to the nines.
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She had this awesome outfit on. It almost makes you feel like, oh, how vulnerable and public these players are as they pursue their dreams and that you could fall flat and not get drafted on this very public night. And, you know, Oregon didn't have a great season. I did think she had a nice finish to the season and a great first round performance in the tournament.
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Hopefully she'll get a chance in training camp to show what she can do. And the biggest outcry came for Diamond Johnson out of Norfolk State. So, you know, we're talking to HBCU. This is the MEAC Conference Player of the Year. She averaged like 19 points per game, also was doing it on defense, led the conference in steals. 3.6 steals, was an all defensive selection.
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And if critics were like, oh, well, is the MEAC Conference tough enough? But she also played at Rutgers and NC State. You know, this is ACC. This is Big Ten. And she did well there. She was highly regarded there. So I think the critique and the outcry was why suddenly was she not good enough to be drafted here? Given the numbers and the pedigree speaks, the body of work was speaking for itself.
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Perhaps it's a lack of attention or respect for MEAC basketball, HBCU basketball and attention to what's going on there.
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We got a great show for y'all today. These are the topics we'll be discussing. The WNBA draft, obviously. Paige Beckers and her fit in Dallas. And literally, Paige's fashion fit at the draft, plus all the different looks and fashion and fit that came out of the draft. We take a look at the WNBA's sparkly new Rivals Week and which matchups we like more or less.
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First of all, Logan, like bigger picture here.
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the effort of the league to try and create some urgency storylines that fans can follow this is called stickiness um it's an opportunity also to monetize the partner ally on this is a huge get for the for the wnba so you know look some of these games do make sense right like new york liberty versus lynx that run it back championship and wnba finals it went five games it was controversial
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Liberty versus aces. That was the year before his finals commissioners cup star power, although the aces do look different, but, um, the star power, you've got your reigning MVP. You got to have Asia there. It makes sense, right? Sky versus fever. So Logan, do you like that one?
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OK, I'll go devil's advocate the other way. Like, let's not be dense about this. This is in Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. You have the two most followed, most visible new young faces in the WNBA that people are talking about. And they do have a history that goes back to college. The rivalry is certainly more familial. fan-created than it is player-created, to your point.
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They don't play the same position. They largely seem like, at minimum, there's a respect there between the two of them. So I just think this is like, we're going to put our two hottest names on TV, and boom. I just hope we can do this without inviting the obnoxious and sometimes toxic conversations that came around this matchup.
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So fever versus Dallas, there's no rivalry, but it is the top two number one picks for the last two years. Right. So like, that's interesting. I'd sign up for that. Like the one, the one, the one, the two places where I'm like, okay, the Valkyries and having a rivalry week is kind of funny. Right. Like they don't even have history. They just started. It's their first year.
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Look, Kathy had to showcase her brand new Sparkly franchise somehow, some way. And you mentioned Atlanta. There is Atlanta Dream versus the Phoenix Mercury. So that's Brittany Griner versus her former team. I'm on that one. I'm like, I'm less into that storyline as much as I'm into. Those are two new look rosters on two teams that are very talented.
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And I actually just think I'm interested in seeing this very good game between between the Dream and the Mercury. So anyway, I'll be tuned in. I will be sad. And I'm just going to give a clap to the league trying to further storylines, fandom, urgency, stickiness, whether it be through rivalry week or the commissioner's cup. I think it's all good for the game.
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And whether or not Unrivaled is putting more pressure on the WNBA with their lucrative contracts. And we continue to update you on the college transfer portal, including the underclassmen mass exodus out of UCLA. Plus, we also have an exclusive sit-down interview with Indiana Fever head coach Stephanie White.
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Hey, what's up? Good follow. This is Roz, and we have an exclusive sit-down interview with the new head coach of the Indiana Fever. She was the 2023 WNBA Coach of the Year, an NCAA champion, a baller herself, a WNBA champion, and my former broadcasting teammate. What's up, Stephanie White? What's going on? How are you? I'm good.
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It's so great to have you on the show, Steph, and that you made the time. I'm sure you have a
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Yeah, for sure. I was, you know, looking up all of your history and stories and I'm like, this is a real indie gal. Like born in Indiana, you played your college ball in Indiana at Purdue. You played for the Fever in the WNBA along other stops. In coaching, you actually were an assistant coach with the Fever. And now here you are back as the head coach of the Indiana Fever.
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Just how has Indiana shaped you and just been a backdrop for you over the course of your life story?
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And she takes us through the entire roster, including her vision for Kaitlyn Clark in year two. So big show, Logan.
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This is a true homecoming in every way of it. And not to continue to use cliches, but it took a village. Yes. And it says a lot about you that pretty much what you said was the whole hood. Everybody believes in you.
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We were like, we're going to get Steph to her dreams. And you've absolutely done that as a player, as a coach. And you've been already a part of... history with the Indiana Fever franchise and organization. Before we talk about the present, I want to look at history because you actually overlapped as a player with the great Hall of Famer Tamika Catchings.
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And as a coach, you were on the staff when that team won the WNBA championship, the only one in Fever history. So let's start with Tamika Catchings. Just like How did she influence the way you see the game and impact this franchise and set a tone for it?
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We will be diving into college hoops and March Madness. And also, we'll be talking about Angel Reese's comments on the WNBA's upcoming CBA negotiations. So we have a packed show. But before we get there, I just want to say, Logan, I speak for you when I say this to our viewers. We love y'all. Yes, so much. So much love for y'all. We love you guys.
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Yeah. What is it that over the course of your career has allowed your confidence to be shaken and even your joy?
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Well, just to piggyback the conversation around Seattle, I mean, you had the opportunity to play behind and learn from Sue Bird. What would you say were the most important things that you still think about to this day that you got from Sue Bird?
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Hey, what's up, y'all? Welcome to Good Follow, presented by DraftKings. I'm Roz. That's my girl, Logan Hackett. Logan, what's goody? How are you, my girl?
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Yeah, I mean, you have an opportunity to see that you don't got to be the loudest, but what you say has to be powerful and meaningful. You have the opportunity here at Unrivaled to learn from another great in Teresa Weatherspoon as your coach. How is Spoon helping you?
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Girl, I'm here to tell you, that's in life. Yes.
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Fight to keep it, right. Exactly. What is your voice? What is your voice?
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Yeah. I think it's a really important talking point, not even just for sports, just about leadership in general. We live in a society where being an extrovert or being the loudest is often like put on a pedestal. And I think there are many ways to lead. I think that's an important message for a lot of people at home listening, for workspaces.
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I mean, you know, that you can be an effective, powerful leader and also do it, you know, in your own way and style. So that really resonated. Thank you.
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it's funny because we're talking about voice and you have this incredible voice off the court you know like you have you have a because you said a voice in basketball in my head i was like well also in music you're a wonderful singer thank you um well what is your voice as a singer then i'm still now that is something i'm still trying to figure out um i have recently been i've always been into music but i think recently i've been more in tune with music as
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There you go. All right, let's get to it.
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I've never heard of a crooner. A crooner? Oh, no. Is that too old? A crooner is like somebody who's like...
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Okay. Well, then what kind of singer are you? Are you singing the blues? Are you somebody who's emo?
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in some ways music can take, you know, push you outside your box.
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Not you being a toxic girlie.
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She's on a vitamin regimen.
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Knowing them. Everybody loves soccer music. One thing that you have done, which I'm always impressed with, is like, you can go on a dime. Can we hear a little snippet from you of one of your songs? You want to hear a snippet?
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Yeah, you sound incredible.
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I just want the background story of this picture that went viral. Oh, gosh. This is at the very end of January, right? You know, Brittany Griner just made her announcement. Y'all are on a boat fishing. Uh-oh. And she said, I'm coming to Atlanta. And don't worry, the fans at home, we will show you this picture. I'm showing my girl in the halls.
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It's cool, because y'all are not even on the same team. That's the Owls, that's the Phantom, that's the Vinyl.
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Oh, the dreamies. You heard it here first. We got all sorts of exclusives in this interview with you. Girl, I could talk with you another 30 minutes if you let me. It was so wonderful. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. It was so great to have you on.
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Welcome back to Good Follow. I'm Roz. She's Logan. And we just heard from Jordan Canada. That was such a great sit down interview with Jordan, who is just so dynamic and so cool to get her to pull a curtain back on her just music career and process. I'm glad she's putting music out. You go girl. Now, Logan, let's transition because you were at the Challenge Cup last week.
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So let's transition to some soccer. The Washington spirit and Orlando pride went head to head. And this was a rematch of the 2024 championship game. And this time it was the spirit who came out on top on over the Orlando pride. And they did this in penalties. These were the top two teams last season. So Logan, you were there based on what you saw Friday. Will that be the case again?
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Yeah, you know, first of all, we're getting heavyweight matchups between UCLA and USC. Some people are hoping that they'll see this matchup a fourth time and maybe they'll both get one seeds in Tampa, perhaps the final four. I would love to see it. Why not? But, you know, I think it was a great response from UCLA getting this win. I think shout out to Lauren Betts. Like, wow.
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You know, she really sets the tone for them defensively. She had four blocks, four steals in the game. Three of those four blocks came in the fourth quarter. And there was a really signature defense. defining moment as Juju Watkins is just trying to find a way to score a bucket, goes to the lane, and she's denied by Lauren Betts. And I just think you set the tone in that way.
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And it's not just defense. Offensively, Lauren was able to be super efficient, 7 for 10 from the field for 17 points. She absolutely was deserving of that most outstanding player. And, you know, good for UCLA, whose defense was just staggering in the second quarter.
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Welcome back to Good Follow. Big thank you to soccer legend Kelly O'Hara for joining us and joining Logan for that great NWSL preview. Now let's transition because this segment is presented by DraftKings. Unrivaled playoffs are beginning on Sunday, and I've got my eyes on that two versus three seed matchup between the Rose and the Laces.
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On the Rose, if you're looking for someone to pack the stat sheet, it's Angel Reese, who's leading Unrivaled in rebounding. Naturally, we expected her to crush the glass, but she's improved so much on the offensive end, finishing, getting in deep, and scoring the rock. She's on constant double-double watch. For the Laces, a player who can also fill the stat sheet is Alyssa Thomas.
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Now, she may not always be your leading scorer, but she's on constant triple-double watch as a player who rebounds, creates for others with assists. She can get you a bucket or a block, and she's definitely the tone setter for the toughness and physicality of the Laces.
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I have the Rose winning and advancing to the finals, and perhaps we might see them against the overall number one seed, Lunar Owls, if they advance over Team Vinyl. Either way, I have a feeling that these unrivaled playoffs are going to finish with a bang. This segment is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. We love doing that. I love it.
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big sigh once again that's not what she said and also look at this tweet it's from centelle look at the e at the end centelle is a troll meme site man but the problem is people are going to go and run with that uh because it's angel reese like they want to see something that's inflammatory and she never said that exactly
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So UCLA, I mean, they were just absolutely suffocating on defense in that second half and thwarted anything that USC was trying to do. And that brings me to USC. They were up by 13 in the third quarter. And Logan, you brought it up. They only hit two field goals in the last 12 minutes of game time. Like in real lifetime, like that's like 30 minutes or even more. That's a long time where...
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Well, you know, this is all part of CBA negotiations and it's right on time. I believe the WNBA players provided a proof of concept last season and now and unrivaled again. And with athletes unlimited attention, ratings, attendance, it's all upped. And the product is great. There's a new crop of identifiable young stars, new rivalries, storylines that people are following.
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The players are captivating. And there's an appetite for investment. You know, we're seeing new WNBA teams. We're seeing alternative leagues. like Athletes Unlimited, like Unrivaled, who are having banner seasons. There's an influx of cash coming from the new TV rights deal. Brand deals are flowing.
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And there's just like investors with cash fist in hand, you know, trying to find ways to invest in women's basketball now. So I think...
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when we discuss the conversation in a reasonable, right-minded way, it's important to note that WNBA players are looking to renegotiate the revenue split and that they aren't asking for NBA salaries, but they are looking to the NBA's model where in their revenue split, it's about 50-50. And perhaps in like years past, Logan, WNBA team owners are,
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may have been carrying the burden of the load, but now I think that scale has slid, and the players are pushing a lot of the momentum that we're seeing. They're behind a lot of that. They're driving it, and they want to make sure that they, like... have an opportunity to not be left out of the momentum and the monetization of that, of the energy that they're creating.
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So I think right now is a great time for them to be discussing like revenue split and equity in the league. And they have every right to.
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you have to step up like and sometimes you got to shake the table it's not just hoping and asking for a seat at it but you know you've got to fight for this and these negotiations and talks aren't easy but they're so necessary and i think it's right on time absolutely um you know speaking of time that's it for our episode today I know, I know, but we want to thank all of you for watching.
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We want to thank Jordan Canada, Kelly O'Hara for joining our show today. We had two greats of basketball and soccer here. Make sure y'all subscribe. If you made it all the way to the end of this show.
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better be subscribing um and then also follow us on socials at good follow um we appreciate you we are building this thing together good follow we're presented by draft kings logan any final thoughts love you yeah we do love you okay bye y'all we'll see you next week welcome to miami
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they can't get something going. And so that's my question for USC. Like, when the offense isn't flowing, when Juju's not going, like, how do you manufacture some kind of production? Because USC didn't get to the free throw line enough, I think. Like, they only got there 13 times. And when you're struggling to score the ball, every possession starts to really count for more.
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Oh my gosh, you go girl, you've got your whole life together. Right?
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And they turned it over 19 times. So they don't even have the ball long enough. And you've got to figure out when you're an elite team, how do you stop the bleeding? And one of those is, you know, not turning it over. I think a healthy film session will help USC right now as they head into March. I mean, again, not a panic moment, but just healthy film session to answer these types of questions.
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Oh, my goodness. They changed their season, girl. Had they lost again to USC? I mean, it completely changes the way they headed to March. But that wasn't the only tournament that crowned a champion. We're going to take a look at the SEC tournament. South Carolina wins.
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Shout out to Dawn Staley, who was a pillar of just excellence and consistency over the course of years and different rosters and classes. But they took down Texas. They won by 20 to win the SEC tournament. So, Logan,
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It was South Carolina who makes that happen. They're known for defense.
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Okay. Logan, you called that. I did.
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You know, Kara Lawson, I've had the pleasure of getting to know her. She's excellent. She was excellent as a player, excellent as a broadcaster. And now moving into greatness as a coach, this is a huge pillar for her program. And Duke came in, they were at the bottom, coached them through a pandemic. And in five years, now has them back at the top of the ACC at winning the tournament.
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And to your point, Logan, this was a really tough path. They had to go through Notre Dame. They had to go through NC State. And her team is young and hungry and they're defensive. They've got a strong identity. And that defensive identity, like it was more than they just squeaked through and upset them. They held Notre Dame 28 points below their scoring average.
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We're about to have our reunion again in Miami. We're heading to Miami for the unrivaled playoffs and the Miami Open. Some tennis. Is that the right way? So I can't wait to see you in person. But before we even get to our next in-person show for Good Follow Show, we got to take you through today's. Today, we got a big one.
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They held NC State 15 points below their scoring average. So, I mean, this is a team that heads into the tournament with a lot of momentum, a a really good, strong sense of self and their formula to success and kudos to them.
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You know, look, Notre Dame, they're still those girls, you know, but I am concerned for them because they are limping into March. Their last two losses, Coach Neal Ivey has had to talk with the team for an hour post-game. This is what's standing out to me. It's not even just the losses.
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It's the fact that Coach Ivy, there's reports from media that they've had to wait for the team to leave the locker room post-game, these losses, over an hour. That's a lot of talking, you know? And on one hand, I understand that Neal Ivy is trying to just impress urgency on her team so that they don't miss the moment that's right here for them.
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But on the other hand, I feel like it's March, you know? And this isn't a team that needs to be talked into some kind of miracle. Like, they have every single thing they need to be a championship team. And ultimately, I think that the talk and the rally has to come from the Notre Dame players and the team themselves.
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You can't just be a team that's beating your chest and talking big and all this and that when things are going well. You don't want to be a frontrunner. Like, you are being challenged right now. This is real adversity, and you're heading into a one-and-done scenario. So y'all got to double down on who you are. And I think that's what they got away from, their identity as a team that's defensive,
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High energy, confident, has defense that creates offense and they can create high tempo, up tempo, pace, energetic situations where they can really just showcase their toughness. So they've got to dig right now.
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Stephen Curry is unrivaled. Every time I see these announcements, I feel like it's like, so-and-so is unrivaled. But this is a big one. This is like a nod at the end of the season where it's like people got to view the unrivaled season, see what it was, and then was like, Yeah.
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I need to tap. Exactly. And, you know, a shout out to Stephen Curry because he's been investing in the woman's game. And this is just continues the path that he's on.
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You know, I think that the two teams that have the best chance of taking down the Owls might be the Rose and the Laces. And the Rose have been trending up to end the season. They go as Chelsea Gray goes. One of the most beautiful things I saw on Unrivaled is just that Chelsea's healthy. She's rejuvenated. She's playing with joy. And, you know, she's taking her teammates with her.
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We got an exclusive sit-down interview with two-time WNBA champion Jordan Canada joins us. Not only is Jordan a baller, but she completely takes us through her process as a singer and a musician and sneak peek some music with us. We also hear from Kelly O'Hara, who joins the show to preview the NWSL season. Y'all, it is the unrivaled playoffs. We will be talking about that.
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Angel Reese is so competitive. She's crushing the glass, but she's absolutely been improved on the offensive end in Unrivaled. But why I also think the Rose have a really great chance, their entire team is trending upwards. Role players like Brittany Sykes and Lexi Hull play with such motor. They play so hard, especially on the defensive end.
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The Rose are a great defensive team and their defense can get them out in offense for fast break opportunities. They're a low scoring team. So, you know, they want to beat the defense down the court and get some easier shots. So I feel like that's the case for the Rose.
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The Laces, I've been calling the most dangerous team in Unrivaled because they're now healthy on time, and they just got a bunch of veteran dogs who can score the ball and defend the ball. And one of the reasons they've been so hot to finish the season and have gotten into playoffs is because Jackie Young is healthy and playing at a really high level.
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Let's take a look at some of Jackie Young's highlights. You know, first of all, Jackie...
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gets to the rim she is so strong she has a real passion for the weight room and that devotion translates to the court um she's very deliberate and methodical out there on the court you know like she's uh smooth and unrushed she can really stroke the ball well from three and then if you come flying out on her she'll put the ball down not get too deep step into her
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her jump shot she's got a great shooting touch um rarely off balance you know she's just confident and and just one of the many scoring options on this team because there's Kayla McBride McBuckets there's Tiffany Hayes you know Dolson uh could come in there and make impact and obviously Alyssa Thomas does a bit of everything so look out for the laces um
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I mean, look out for the whole playoffs, man. The thing about the playoffs, it's one game. It's one game. This ain't a three game or five game series. You got to win two games to get to the chip. So these are some of the top players in the world. Any one of these teams can win two games and win a chip.
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Maybe she's on a vitamin regimen, too.
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Hey, what's up, Goodfollow? We are coming to you from Miami at the Unrivaled campus. As you know, I'm your girl, Roz Goldonbude. And today we have a delightful guest. I'm going to do some accolades because she's a two-time WNBA champion. She will be seen with the Atlanta Dream. And here at Unrivaled, she's part of Team Vinyl. Don't play with her. She will lock you up.
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This is a two-time all-first team defensive selection, two-time steals leader in the WNBA. When she was at UCLA, she was the Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year. You don't play about defense. I don't play about deed. I get down. Jordan Canada joins the show. What's up, Jordan? What's up? Thank you for having me. I'm so happy to have you. Thank you. You've been having aura, girl.
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You've been hooping. Thank you. I'm trying. You've really been finishing Unrivaled strong here. And, you know, we've met before and spoken. Coach Teresa Weatherspoon said she told you as you go, Team Vinyl will go. Like, how much do you feel like your game has expanded and grown here at Unrivaled?
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It's nice that we have a moment to relax now that the college season is over. And I mean, how amazing has Tampa been? It's been such beautiful weather.
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Because he had his 24th Final Four. Yes. But you didn't see 23 of those. Or was it straight?
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I remember the game, the championship game. It was my freshman year.
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Yes. I was at the Tampa Final Four here. And, you know, it was it was good for Candace Parker to get that championship.
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You want to see the difference of maybe like the type of player we were? Right. Right. I actually don't remember anything about the game against Tennessee. But what I do remember is all the stuff around it. Yeah, see, you were opposite. I was opposite. Candice was focused on the games. And I remember the Tampa Final Four. All the teams came in on yachts. They had us all come in on boats.
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And then each team, I think, had a boat. And we came off the water in the boats after sailing. And he came off a red carpet and then went in to party. Yes.
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Yes. And that was a nice time. We both came from the court. And when UConn was given their trophy, they brought all of their alum on. and all of their former champions. And it was kind of cool to see the level of greatness. We're talking about Hall of Famers, Olympians, but also people across generations, people that you went through or they went through you.
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And one of the coolest things happened to me Maya Moore walks by, and she's like, Roz. And I'm like, love you. And I was like, dang, one of those championships you got went through us. And she was like, you know, you also stopped us from one. And so I was like, you know, these competitors, they don't forget anything. They don't forget anything. I also got a picture with Diana Taurasi. Did you?
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Yes. Me too. I did. And you know, we've interviewed everybody.
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So, I mean, hey, we have a new champion. The NCAA season is crowned and UConn wins the championship, the 12th overall, you know, for the program. What do you make of the championship game? What did you think? Man.
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I was like, oh my God, that's Ross. First of all, I'm mad old school. I still use my notepad. And then I kind of have to time it up. It's almost like double-dutch. I'm watching her walking off the court and I know I've got to speak to her coming off the court and then the other coach coming out onto the court. So I'm like, one, two, there she goes. Dawn, what's your message to the team?
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Yeah, yeah, there was a lot of dominance. And I, too, feel like it was reminiscent of the way those other teams in the past was dominant. I'll point out, though, like, this UConn team has been right here, though. Yeah, they've been right there. And, you know, clearly 24 Final Fours, and this is their back-to-back one. But last season's team, you know, Geno had that squad with, like,
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a handful of healthy players scrapped their way to the final four. I think health has paid, played a big part in like their lack of a championship as of late. And what I saw in this team, for me, they're healthy. For me with UConn, it's always a fitness issue. It's a condition. Like they're just, they wear on you. Yeah. Like against UCLA in the, in the,
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first game of the Final Four, I felt like UCLA looked a little fatigued. Yes. And UConn just kept coming at them, coming at them. And then even here, they just kept coming in waves. The high level of execution on offense, all the back cuts against the pressure. Yeah. All the back doors. Yeah. And on defense, I thought they were good too.
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But it was really cool. But beyond that, we're also celebrating today, Logan. Yay. We're celebrating. We hit 1,000 subscribers. Actually, it's such a big deal for us. It's not just one bell. It's two bells. It's three bells. We are so grateful. We are so excited to reach 1,000 subscribers on YouTube, that is. You know, we relaunched this at the start of the new year.
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Sarah between the points, I think 24 points, I think 15 rebounds between the blocks and the defense. She anchored everything that thwarted South Carolina. I think there were a number of candidates, but for me, Sarah Strong was the most outstanding player for me of the final four.
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What a luxury for you, Conrad. All these players stepped up so big. And it's funny because, you know, I interviewed postgame Sarah Strong. And she barely smiled. Like, she's just got a certain... She's locked in. She's locked in.
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Her mom is a little bit on, like, the... A little more serious. She'll... I mean, when you know her, you keep it with her.
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her mother in her stoicness. I wonder if she's silly on the side or something. Right, yeah, like behind the scenes.
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correspond with allison booster like y'all need to get on google if you don't know who this woman is like the historic yeah it's 16 seed beating a one seed in the tournament harvard beats stanford why is stanford sorry this is a bad episode for stanford episode for stanford hey we got a lot of greatness coming through but um and then to another point you had i interviewed gino post game i
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And after the championship, and I asked him what this 12th championship meant and the fact that it took nine years to get there, what it meant to the program and to the team and to him. And he heard, he basically alluded to, he heard all that talk. Oh. You know, Gino's a, you know, he got, you know, strong, like, um... He believes in the program and the work he's put in. Yeah.
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And so he heard that and he said, look, if we want parity in the game, we can't be upset when it's hard to get here.
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But I actually think that's a great point because as we do all this legacy talk, you know, oh, how many championships does this player have? And Paige Beckers is now going to have one. Where does she stand with the greats of UConn who have four or three or two?
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I think it's hard to have that conversation because I remember playing in the years of 2010 where our first challenge wasn't until the Final Four, where teams were going undefeated through the season and winning by 30. You know what I mean? So it's like, how can you come? It's just everything. Both are excellent.
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But there's so much more parity now that to get that one chip is so much harder, I think. I agree.
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We've been doing this, building this with y'all for three months to hit 1,000. It means a lot. And we pledge to continue to bring great energy and enthusiasm and creativity to how we cover women's sports for y'all, okay? That's our promise.
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So how do we reflect on the full body of work now for our girl Paige Beckers, who has her storybook, you know, ending with the championship after all the injuries, not only injuries, she went through a pandemic, like her team was injured, and to come through with her resilience and heart.
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Yeah. And I'm going to remember her not only as a great player, but the more I found out about Paige, the more I understand how wonderful of a human being and a teammate she is. Yes. And also her heart and resilience beyond the points and the buckets like that's what stands out to me about Paige Beckers.
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And, you know, it's a nice transition, too, because that's what stands out to me about you, LaChina.
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I'm talking about the quality of character, of heart, of being a great teammate, of helping bring others along. And I mean... You've even been here as a symbol of, like, your love for me. You're my big sis, but everybody's big sis. We all could sit and rave about you. You're also my friend. Yes.
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And, you know, I want to just highlight the incredible work you're doing with Rising Media Stars, the mentorship organization that you founded that now has literally put stars in seats on the biggest networks. It's for young journalists who want to become broadcasters. Why was it important for you to have a life of mentorship and have this be your passion?
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All right. The road to 2000 subscribers begins.
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Yeah. And I mean, you've connected me with a number of broadcasters and, hey, I need you to meet this young lady who's with the Bucks and Zora Stevenson. She's doing the Olympics now. And there's been a few of those. But for me, you've been a sis, a mentor, a friend for me. And, you know, I guess I'll kind of get you out on this one. You know, I come to you.
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All right, let's get to the show. In today's show, we've got a great one for you. We're talking about what the future looks like for newly crowned UConn, the new champions of college basketball after they won their 12th championship. We're going to be looking to the future for South Carolina and other contenders coming up for next college season.
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I have so few people to actually talk about when things are down. I have so many people in my life and my family that are depending on me. And it's hard to share openly without worrying them. So when I've ever had an insecurity or a disappointment, oftentimes you've been there for the conversation. And part of being a broadcaster is...
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I think you walk the walk and you talk the talk. I thank you for how you show up. And I just appreciate you so much. Yes. You're an example I give often that you can be successful in this business, be talented, but you can be a great person. And that will take you far. So Latina, thank you so much for joining you.
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I know, I believe you. I'm here for you too.
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Then we're going to take a look at the WNBA draft, which is around the corner. We're going to reveal our top five WNBA draft picks and maybe some surprises that we'll try to predict. We also have an exclusive interview with ESPN analyst and host LaChyna Robinson. It was taped in Tampa immediately after the national championship game.
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Welcome back to Good Follow, presented by DraftKings. I'm Roz. She's Logan. And thank you so much to LaChina Robinson again for joining our show, ESPN analyst. But beyond that, incredible friend and mentor to so many. It was really great to catch up and kiki with her and all the things. But okay, y'all. The WNBA draft is here. So Logan and I are revealing our top five draft picks.
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Logan, let's see who we both have in the number one spot. Let's do it. Oh, my goodness.
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Yeah, Paige Beckers is an efficient scorer from all ranges, from three and especially with her mid-range pull-up jump shot. She's going to provide spacing, you know, anytime she's on the court. I also think she's going to eat off of the spacing that's provided by the gravity that's going to come to Arike Ogumbawale. Like, that penetrate kick out is going to be crazy.
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Hey, what's up, y'all? Welcome to Good Follow, presented by DraftKings. I'm Roz, Golden Woody, and that's my co-host. That's my girl. That's Logan Hackett. What's up, Logan? How you doing?
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And they could be a nice one-two punch offensively together. Another thing that I'll point out, Paige is a great teammate. We saw the stories that came out about her waking up early to cook, you know, breakfast for her teammate, Jen Al-Afi, coming out of Ramadan. She's a great human. And I just think her personality, even her, like,
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ease of nature her silliness i think that'll be really healthy for the team in dallas that's going through a lot of transition right now and sometimes you need that kind of personality um and logan here's the most important thing well i'm just joking but
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So it's very much giving all of the insider info, vibes, stories, tea from the scene at the final four. We've got a full show, Logan, so let's get to it.
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I'm so ready for the pregame walk-in for Dallas because between Paige, Arike, and Dejanay, and then the rest of the team, like that's going to be a very swaggy team. That walk-in is going to be crazy. Real quick, who do you see playing the one and who do you see playing the two? I think you can, you know, transition that.
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Whoever gets the ball can bring it up because everybody can play with pace, everybody can share it, and everybody's a bucket.
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Yeah, I mean, a lot of people have her at number two. She easily could, right? But I actually went with Kiki because, you know, Seattle already has Nneka Ogwumike and Ezzie Magbogor, but I think that Kiki's versatility could help her fill in spots and gaps and spurts here. You know, she's got great defensive potential. She's got...
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know mobility she's able to shoot the ball you know in little short ranges and stuff and i think that'll complement those established stars i thought she finished her season at usc better than she started it and i actually remember the kiki of the breakout year at stanford university and that's where i really saw some of her potential so i think there's more here an upside for kiki and perhaps she gets picked up at number two
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Yeah, yeah, no, Washington has a lot of new from the executive staff to the team and down. So I think at number three here with Dominique Malunga, who could easily go number two, as we said, this is a 6'6 prospect who can dunk, who defensively, because of her length, automatically has an opportunity to rim protect. She can stretch the court. She will shoot the three.
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And I potentially like her as someone who could perhaps move a healthy Shakira Austin out in space and let Shak of her versatility, all h things she showed during that she could do. And aga healthy is a problem. So and having a new personat size could be a big part
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yeah yeah you nailed that with anisa morrow potentially being picked up by the valkyries at number five she's a double double machine she's undersized but she is a worker right so i think what what you heard from natalina kase is like this first season for the valkyries is going to be about developing culture and i think to your point logan morrow fit
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fits that a culture of being hard workers a culture of being a hustler and don't forget you know she also can stretch the court so that's always very useful uh coming back up though moving up back up to four with washington i think they might use this to get a big and then to get a wing right and sonia citron has all the things that modern basketball loves she's six one she's got good size she shoots 37 from three um so she's a shooter she can stretch the court
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And she's developed into one of the best defenders in college basketball. So size three and D, those are the ingredients for the recipe for a nice role player in the WNBA.
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Yeah, okay. I'm going to point out a name, a household name in Haley Van Lith. I think she might surprise us in that she might get drafted higher than some of these mock draft boards have for her. Because of just how well she finished the March Madness and NCAA tournament, I think she was able to establish herself as a winner, as a bucket, highly skilled. I think she increased her draft stock.
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And I think the upside and potential of that may, for some draft boardrooms, outweigh the fact that, hey, against Texas, she did look small. She had a hard time seeing over their defense. The upside might outweigh that. And I also think, hey, it doesn't hurt her marketability. you know, putting someone in that households know and may put butts in seats.
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So I think for Haley Van Lith, we may see her get drafted higher than some people have predicted.
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I think, listen, they continue to write the standard and create it, and I'm really excited for Season 2 for them.
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One that stands out to me, I remember when Skylar Diggins-Smith did this issue. I think she had a great finish to the March Madness in the tournament. And here she is, you know, having an opportunity to capitalize on that and continue to storytell and brand build.
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Besties were shining, and I just, I can't get enough of this clip, like this meme. The two of them are having a healthy kiki. Like, anyone that has a homegirl, like, that you really, really, that you really rock with, you know when you gotta, like, stomp your feet and shake. That is such, I relate, that's a very relatable laugh.
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I wonder what they're talking about, but it's like, both of y'all are having a moment where you're like,
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girl it's like a serotonin moment too like the feeling you get after you're like oh my gosh yay i love her so much yeah they're so cute and i love the way they show up for one another and just support one another at each other's events and milestones and um also congratulations to alicia at least just secured a ring um she's get she's just got engaged so we're really happy for her
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That's it for this week's episode of Good Follow Show. We want to make sure to thank LaChyna Robinson, my good sis, for coming on and joining us on the show today. And of course, to all of you, all 1,000 plus, let's go, go us, go us. Thank you
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You know, I actually think it could be the continuance of dominance coming out of this championship for UConn. And they may not feel the loss of Paige Beckers, who was an incredible talent, but I still think UConn can be great even after now she graduates. Because when fully healthy, UConn was head and shoulders better than the competition. They gassed UCLA and South Carolina.
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And so for me, the point that I make doesn't even need stats to be proven. It's more about qualities and characteristics and culture of the program. I'll point to the pace of play that UConn plays with. I'll point to the execution of cuts of passes in their offense, the backdoor passes, the beauty of it.
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against tough defenses and then on the other side uconn's not just an offensive team they were tough on defense and they were able to create defense um offense off of that defense this is a team that's incredibly unselfish sacrificing roles for one another and one thing that really stands out about uconn over the course of decades is their conditioning level
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they have a fitness x-factor and even when i was playing at stanford against yukon teams of old they always were so well conditioned that over the course of the game they would just wear on you and then suddenly they'd be pulling away because fatigue said and it's harder and harder to execute so For these qualities, I'm less worried about Paige Becker's graduating.
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As great as she is, Gino's a brilliant coach. The offense will further just kind of focus in on working around Sarah Strong, who, Logan, Sarah Strong as a freshman had a great case for the most outstanding player of the Final Four. you know, and easily could have won that if it didn't go to AZ Fudd, who was also great, who next season will now have two, a second year of being healthy.
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That's just like another step forward physically and mentally for what she'll be able to do on the court. And then all those role players will be looking for expanded roles. Your KK Arnold, your Ashlyn Shades, your Ice Bradys, your Janas, you know, and a transfer portal might get a win or two for UConn. So I expect them to be very strong next season as long as they're able to stay healthy.
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Oh, you flourish in the madness, huh? Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I was in Tampa girl. It was so beautiful out there. I love warm weather, so the weather was amazing. It was a hot the hot spot for women's basketball like everyone was there. This is a place to see and be seen to be networking. WNBA players, coaches, executives, media members. Like it was all there in one place.
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Oh, Dawn. Dawn had a wrinkle up her sleeve. A birdie flew into the nest for South Carolina Gamecocks. This is a game changer. This is huge. Taniya Ladson coming to South Carolina. You mentioned her 25 points per game. It's also about four and a half rebounds, four and a half assists per game. But more importantly, here is a player who was able to create her own shot off of the bounce.
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to the rim for the pull-up jumper against tough defenses in tight, tough situations. South Carolina now has a go-to score that is veteran that they can lean on and go to. And for the most part,
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part they were offense by committee everybody chipping in each game in the tournament it was like someone else would step up well this is a go-to score South Carolina needed this influx of offense it will absolutely help their identity of being a tough defense this is a game changer for South Carolina
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You know, I was really impressed with Joyce Edwards, you know, as a freshman stepping up so big in the final four, especially she was kind of having a slump for a couple of games there. So to find what it took to fight her way out of it, I had the chance to get to know her and speak with her during the final four during my reporting.
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And this is a player who had the mental toughness, who was, you know, working with coaching staff, willing to put the work in to break through. And she did. She's got size. She's got mobility. She's got the ability to attack the rim. I expect her to further build on this experience next season. Mylasia Fulwiley, she is also somebody who can score the ball. She is also a bucket.
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And next season, she's going to likely step into a new role. This season, she was off the bench, someone who came in and immediately changed the game with her pace and style of play. There's a good chance she's likely to be a starter next season. And so there's a difference there. When you're coming off the bench, you have more freedom to be wild maybe in some ways.
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But as a starter, often coaches want to see you be a bit more deliberate because you've got to set the style of play for your team. You've got to engage your teammates. You've got to run sets. So that'll be a healthy challenge for her next season. To your point, they're gonna miss Tahina Pau-Pau, not only for her leadership, but her three-point shooting.
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Her three-point shots were like daggers for South Carolina. So even with Tenaya Latson coming in, I wonder, like, where does spacing continue to come from for South Carolina? Ashlyn Watson? How does she come back from injury? If she's able to be fully healthy in her full self, that's huge for South Carolina. And it was a huge loss not having her.
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Obviously, Chloe Kitts, I thought she finished the season really strong for South Carolina, continue to build on that. But here's like this overarching storyline that the Gamecocks get to have coming into next season. Pain is a great teacher and so is embarrassment. And that's what they felt. They felt that against UConn.
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And now that can be bundled up and used as fuel in this off season and perhaps a chip going into next year.
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What a shoulda, coulda, who knows now? They have next year to show it.
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It was, you know, really exciting within the women's basketball community. I was there doing the national radio game broadcast for the games at the Final Four. So I had a lot of like really cool opportunities to spend a lot of one-on-one time with the teams and the coaches and the players. I got to really, you know,
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Well, I'm going to point out UCLA. You know, first of all, I think experience really showed itself in the Final Four, and that experience mattered. Like, you know, UCLA now has seen what it takes. They've seen the different level, what the Final Four looks like, what the conditioning level looks like to be at that level. I think for Lauren Betts and Kiki Rice, they come back even more improved.
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They're going to anchor this team. Sienna Betts, little sis to Lauren, she's going to join influx of height, influx of talent. You know, she was the MVP of the McDonald's All-American game. And not to mention, they bring back a lot of talent that played key roles in their run. Your Gardeners, your Jaquez, they all come back.
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And so I think with that experience, I think UCLA will be a really big team to watch. Any team that Olivia Miles was going to go to was going to suddenly become a contender, right? If they weren't already. So TCU, you're back. You're back, baby. You got Olivia Miles. And I think, you know, for her, she might have looked at how well things went for Haley Van Lith there.
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And Mark Campbell, the coach, has built a reputation now of developing great point guards. When he was at Oregon with Kelly Graves, he was instrumental in developing Sabrina Ionescu. So for Olivia Miles, that might end up being a nice fit there. And Mark Campbell in TCU also brought in size with the Kentucky transfer, Clara Silver.
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She's 6'7", and that can help fill the gap also that's being left with Sedona Prince leaving the program. So I think TCU you can keep an eye on. And shout out to Duke, okay, and Kara Lawson, who were great to finish the season. Maybe some people might have caught some people by surprise. They had an incredible run. They bring back most all of the team, and they get to double down on that.
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So keep an eye out for Duke.
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You know, this is a highly impactful recruiting class. You know, they're obviously very talented, but I also think about what they're going to be for off the court. They come during a time where there's unprecedented attention on women's basketball and the way we're covering it, the way we're investing in it, the way players are handling it.
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And so I think if you remember back when there was the three to see with like Elena Della Dawn, Skylar Diggins-Smith, Brittany Griner, like they're going to have similar impact, if not more, in how they shape the future of women's basketball. And even on the court, you know, this is generational rebounders, passers, scorers, shot blockers.
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I just wonder who's going to win a championship first of this group on the WNBA side. And then, you know, from there we'll be counting their greatness based off of championships, gold medals. But, you know, the future will only show.
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see in the minds of Gino and Dawn and what gets them going and how they're strategizing. Spent a lot of time with UConn and South Carolina, obviously. And then with the players, just getting to know the personality of these teams and getting to know the players. So for me, I really cherish the opportunity in Tampa to interview, to talk with all of them.
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What's up, Good Follow? This is Roz coming to you live from Tampa. The Women's Tournament just wrapped up. UConn was crowned champion, and right now it is a glorious day in Tampa. I'm sitting by the water right now, and, you know, the sun is starting to set, and I'm about to sit down with a great guest. She is a WNBA host and analyst for ESPN.
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She is the founder of Rising Media Stars Mentorship Group. She's my big sis. She's my friend. It's LaChyna Robinson. We're going to sit down and enjoy just some food, catch up, and talk some whoops. LaChina is here. Hey, Chef. Hey, Roz. Thank you for pulling up and joining me here. Anything for you.
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Okay?
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And... You know, anybody who watches our show at Good Follow, you know one of the words that I've been holding on to in 2025 has been the word soft. Okay. What is a word or a phrase, something that you would hold on to as an intention for the rest of, you got unrivaled season, you got WNBA season.
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Why?
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But maybe it's even crazier that the very next play she comes down and hits a trail three pointer and the whole place went crazy. Like the dunk was like, ah, but then to come back and double down and hit the three, it was like people were standing up and yelling and it was such a time. I had a cute little night, girl. Are you coming out here?
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You're in an interesting spot, too, because you are a productive veteran, especially when you're healthy. And obviously you want to be a part of a team that contends, but you're in a tough situation with Washington where it was a rough year last season for injuries for all the reasons. There's a whole lot of new right now.
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With the Mystics. So what are you most excited about?
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Speaking of other players, the cool thing about Unrivaled, you're on Team Rose, you get to kind of mix in with players who normally are sometimes your opponents. Yes. You might have seen them around at different stops and stints in your career, but who are some of the players on Team Rose that you've really enjoyed either having the opportunity to spend more time with? Yeah.
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i will be very soon and i'm so excited and i cannot wait to go to unravel because everything that you've said and then everything like you're seeing online in the fan perspective yeah it just it's something that you cannot miss totally and we'll also get you a chance to pick out your jersey um but um we've got so much to talk about in today's show so for all the viewers at home this is what you've got coming today first of all we've got
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What's interesting, though, is you guys are both making names around the defensive end of the ball.
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I mean, obviously, you are, you know, already... as one of the great defenders in the W. She's an up-and-coming player.
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You know, in Indy, they were calling her Hull Island. Did you hear that?
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She's putting people on island.
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With her being younger and stuff, like, what would you express to her it takes to really be an elite defender at the pro level here?
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Yeah, yeah. What?
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Who's the toughest wing here to defend?
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Yes.
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good follow presented by draftkings i'm roz gold on woody and that's my girl logan hackett logan how are you great to see you i'm good how are you girl i had the cutest day yesterday monday night in miami at unrivaled it was my first time going to unrivaled and not working like the game broadcast was my first time pulling up as a fan It was so fun. Actually, I got lucky.
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Yeah, because you got to think. She's been doing this all this last season.
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an exclusive sit-down, one-on-one interview with WNBA vet of the Mystics, of the Rose, Slim, our girl Slim, Brittany Sykes, joins the show today for an exclusive sit-down interview. I'll be talking with her. Then we've gotta talk unrivaled playoffs.
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So the biggest difference five-on-five versus this three-on-three format is like sometimes five-on-five you can shine in a system. You might be able to hide certain weaknesses.
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Yeah.
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Talk about it because I feel like for a few years now you've been yelling at people. I'm a bucket too.
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um athletes unlimited crowned a champion we'll be talking about that college hoops conference championships oh my god march madness is here uh oh my gosh the caitlyn clark effect it is continuing she is putting butts in seats all the things and of course the nwsl has revealed some kits we'll take a look at those so we've got an awesome show for everyone logan um remind the people when do we drop every wednesday at 7 p.m eastern time
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Yeah.
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Do you have any tools that are helping you? Like do you journal?
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That's been one of the craziest things for me at Unrivaled here. These are the best in the world or the most up and coming or some of the like, you know, well-known vets of the league and of basketball. And so many players are talking about regaining joy, confidence. Like, I'm like, you?
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Yeah. Yeah. Which is, again, brings us full circle to staying right here.
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And grateful for this moment.
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As we wrap this up, I have a question that I feel all the fans are wondering. Okay. Why is it so tough? Like, why are the lunar owls so tough? What is it about these hootie-hooties? And are y'all tired of them hootie-hooing everywhere?
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What does that even mean?
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All right. I think we did all the business up top. You ready to get into the show?
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Well, you always strap up. You always show up. I appreciate you showing up for us here at Good Follow for me.
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But thank you so much for joining us.
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Welcome back to Good Follows Show presented by DraftKings. I'm Roz. She's Logan. And we just had a really awesome conversation with Slim, Brittany Sykes. She and the Rose are crushing it over at Unrivaled. So good to just really get to know her and like chop it up with her. I really enjoy that conversation personally. And, you know, now we move from there to some college hoops.
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Yeah. USC has incredible momentum heading into March Madness. They've won seven in a row now, including some really important top 25 wins, a nice win over Ohio State, two huge wins over UCLA. That second one at at Pauley Pavilion, at the Bruins, that was one of them loud type of statement wins. It was dominant. And it really, they put their flag on LA.
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And I think that USC had to do that first before they can put their eyes on, like the Big Ten tournament and the NCAA big dance. They now are Big Ten champs. They are accomplishing things. You need some tangible wins, feathers in your cap as you take this walk along the way into March Madness. And they have those that they can hang on to, signature moments.
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And I also think Juju Watkins made a huge statement. That first game, the 38 points and the eight blocks, it was super loud. So we figured when you go to UCLA, they were going to be locked in and kind of quiet her. And instead, Juju seems to be shining at her best, playing at her highest level when the lights are brightest and when the challenge is really big and the odds may even be against her.
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And it's not just the points she put in. What's impressive to me is that she completely can dominate a game on offense and defense and throughout the stat line. And, you know, earlier in the show, Logan, we were talking about like, could there be another player who captivates in the way that Caitlin Clark did? I think we're on track for that.
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Like I think team success and individual success as you march through conference tournament into March madness. And as the magnifying glass gets bigger and casuals are starting to watch and you If Juju can continue on this track, I think we could see Juju mania this season. I think we could, we haven't seen it yet.
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We have seen nice respectful commentary about a very nice college player who's doing well at the end of the season. And she's been up and down throughout the season at times. But if Juju continues to capture whatever she's got and put it in a bottle and take this through March into a deep run in the tournament, I guarantee Juju mania like at the highest level
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begins at a level that I mean, she's already got like billboards on buildings in the streets. So that's pretty impressive for a sophomore. But like, I'm talking like, she could be with what we saw from Caitlin, I think.
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Yeah, it's an important call out. You're not going to go far if you're not going to have team success. It will not just be the juju show to take them far in the Big Ten or in the NCAA tournament.
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It's anticlimactic. It's whack. Throw some tomatoes at it. However, the regular season conference championship is only about record. So if the record is tied, then you are tied for that. Now where there is only one champion is in the conference tournament. So that's where you've got to set your sights. But as far as a coin flip, no, that's not exciting, but that is the way it worked out.
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And so now it's the job of those coaches and for the vets in the locker room to reframe the scenario. Not that they got lucky that South Carolina
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a coin flip decided that they were the one seed no both of those teams sc texas they both had a win in order to be win their last game in order to be in that situation so they did in some ways take control of their destiny and now here they are new mindset opportunity to also be positioning yourself for an overall one seed and i kind of have a prediction that it's going to come down to texas and south carolina in that final which would be
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think before we, the first player we got a shout out is Maddie Segrist, right? She's the, she is the champion. And for those who are confused by that, like what's happening at Athletes Unlimited, they have a very unique way of scoring. So they don't crown a team champion. They crown an individual champion.
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And every single player is being scored throughout the season and every individual moment on the court. every play, every quarter, every rebound, shot, it all has points assigned to it, which means that every moment matters. And the player with the most points is crowned champion. So Maddie Segrist wins the championship, congrats to her. She's gonna be in her third year heading to the WNBA.
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And I think for her, this is a really nice confidence boost, momentum boost. As she heads back to Dallas, she spent a lot of last season injured, had a finger injury. And now with Satu Sabli not coming back in Dallas, there's going to be opportunity for players to step up. So for a young player, Athletes Unlimited was really valuable for Maddie Segrist.
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Odyssey Sims came in second, as you mentioned, Logan. Odyssey last season in the W was splitting time between Dallas and LA, and that is so hard to just pop into a team and be productive, which she still did.
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So now she has an opportunity to come in off of another strong AU season, start from the beginning with LA, and I think she could be a part of a formidable backcourt and a great support to what Kelsey Plum's gonna bring to LA. And then to your point, Crystal Bradford, I love, when I went to Athletes Unlimited, I too was captivated. I was like, who is this fun, loud, amazing athletic player?
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And I mean, we know Crystal, she's been in and out of the W. She's had some nice moments. A lot of her career has really been overseas and she's had a very productive career there. And through AU, she's earned a training camp opportunity with the Las Vegas Aces. And guess what? The Aces need everything that Crystal brings, which is defense and rebounding and energy.
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Don't forget, the Aces lose Sydney Colson. So another thing that Crystal Bradford brings that I enjoyed meeting her at AAU and I got to speak with her She's got great vibes. She's funny. She has humor. She's got positive, big energy. You know, all the stuff that fills a locker room with the juice that you need. So I think she's got a great opportunity coming up in the W season.
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And what you just see from Athletes Unlimited is it really provides much like Unrivaled is doing not only competitive play, but a chance to get better, develop your game and have better opportunities in the W season. And shout out to Athletes Unlimited because they had a record attendance season in Tennessee. They engaged the community. Social media is popping.
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Yes, I do think Caitlin Clark is going to meet the moment. And I think Caitlin Clark mania and fever or Clarkonomics, whatever it is they're calling it, I think it only gets bigger and better. I mean, health-willing, of course. But I think part of it is there'll be less resistance this season.
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Like the awareness, the growth is there for the league. They've done a tremendous job and really just want to congratulate AU for an incredible fourth season.
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Love. to see it but logan logan logan let's also talk some soccer the nwsl and nike have unveiled their new kits for the 2025 season and we all couldn't wait to see what they would come up with in the creativity in the jerseys to highlight a few angel city fc has an all-over toil pattern featuring beloved la landmarks and symbols uh the casey currents
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Teal Town Kit features a map view of Kansas City and the Missouri River. Oh, that's our girl Tamwa! Okay, the Orlando Pride has the Decennial Kit, which celebrates their 10th season and features a gold star representing them as the reigning champion. So as you can see, there's so many deep storylines and Easter eggs throughout the jerseys. Which team nailed the look?
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Welcome back to Good Follow. This segment is presented by DraftKings. And this week, I am looking at a spicy matchup in Unrivaled Play happening Friday. It is going to be Team Rose against the Lunar Owls. They're running this thing back. The Owls have been dominant all year. They clinched the number one overall seed in the playoffs. But if there's one team that can shake them up, it's the Rose.
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And I think that's just because naturally as the seasons go on, the body of work begins to build itself up. And what comes with that is respect. And hopefully... This season, I hope that the conversation moves and the focus moves away from everything that isn't ball. You know, there was so much conversation about gratitude for Caitlyn or race and, you know, tension in America, all this and that.
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The Rose are the only team to hand the Owls a loss this season. And of course, we know the Rose let everyone hear it. The trash talk was on a million and so fun. I can't wait to see it happen again. So will history repeat itself? I don't think so. The Owls will be locked in, but the two key players will be the Rose's Chelsea Gray and the Owl's Skylar Diggins-Smith.
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This is a must-see point guard matchup. I'll tell you why. The point guard, Chelsea Gray, is a floor general with unmatched vision and clutch shot-making ability. She's playing out of her mind. She's coming off of a 26 point, seven assists, five rebound, four steal, one block game, and the game winner. And the game before that, 38 points. She's hot, hot, hot.
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Skylar Diggins-Smith is a dynamic scorer and relentless playmaker, and she's super clutch too. Her last game, she had a near triple-double and dropped 25 points, 11 assists, seven rebounds, three steals, and the game winner. And guess what? Sky and Chelsea are both tied with five game-winning shots in unrivaled play. I expect high energy, physical play, a whole lot of chirping and talking.
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Families will be fed, y'all. I will be sat. Logan will be sat. This game is a must watch. Logan. This segment is presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Can you see I'm so excited for this matchup?
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Okay, wait, wait, wait. But we still have more to the show, girl. So we can move from this into like key headlines and notes and all the things we didn't get to. Take me through it.
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Yeah. And like I said, all eyes are going to be on you when you get that kind of money and then the injury happens. That's unfortunate.
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And also if you see her wearing that that tempo sweater, that's play a society as well. So I mean, the merch game is happening. We love to see it. The girls are moguls. The girls are moguls, Logan.
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i want to be excellent like you i've been learning so much from you this whole time and i absolutely love it oh you're like my little sis i'm taking you under my wing and we're doing this together um and this that will that will be a nice way to end today's show uh we want to make sure to thank brittany sykes for pulling up for a one-on-one interview we want to thank all of you for watching subscribing if you haven't yet press that
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Press it. Do it. And also following us on social media at Good Follow Show. We drop every Wednesday, 7 p.m. Eastern. Thank you for rocking with us. She's Logan. I'm Roz. We'll see you next week, right? Absolutely. Bye, guys.
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And it was at some point exhausting for all sorts of fans, no matter what sides or beliefs you had. And I feel like this season, like, We'll have the opportunity to see her physically stronger, mentally rested, better improved. She has a squad and a team of real weapons around her now, real vets who can support her, who can lead her at times. She's got a really great coach coming in.
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I think she's got everything she needs to be successful. And I hope this season that the way we're discussing Caitlin is about the game and the production. So that means that we can be talking about how she's meeting the expectations, how she's exceeding the expectations, and also have critical conversations about the moments where she isn't.
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living up to the expectation, just as we would for a Victor Wambanyama, just as we would for a Jason Tatum. Like, I think that's the evolution of the conversation, not only around Kaitlyn Clark, but just women's basketball on a whole. So I'm excited for season two of Kaitlyn and the WNBA.
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I'm excited for Caitlin Clark year two. I know those 15,000 fans who bought those tickets in 40 minutes are excited. But it makes you think about the future of women's basketball, even after Caitlin and where we are right now. Do you think that there is any other players, specifically college players, who can replicate this kind of fandom in the way that we see for Caitlin Clark, Logan?
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I had no idea Monday night was the first time that they unveiled their player jerseys. So you could buy- It looks good on you. Oh, am I modeling? So no, but it was really cool. Like every single team's jersey was lined up and there were multiple of all of them with every single player's name and number. So you could literally buy your favorite player's jersey. It was really awesome.
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So I do think there's some players that will generate that kind of fandom. I do think to your point, like the logo threes, the no look passes, her style of play, how she shows up in big moments, that is generational and exciting.
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And I do think full stop, the level of eyeballs, butts in seats, money being spent, and attention around Kaitlyn Clark, there is a gap for everybody else in women's basketball. So full on respect for what she is doing. But I think there's other players. I think a healthy Paige Beckers has aura. I think Juju Watkins can be that, just continuing to have team and individual success.
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I think that in the WNBA right now, I did want to point out, I think there's one player who's not at the same level, but also a big time draw. And I would say Angel Reese. I don't even know why. I don't even really truly know what my affiliation is to her, like what my personal draws.
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But when I had to make a choice on where I was going to spend my one jersey purchase on, it ended up being Angel Reese. So I do think that like there's other players who are big draws, who captivate you and make you want to spend money, you know, and want to see them.
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I got the Rose. There's a lot of space and islands in a three on three basketball situation. So you got to have somebody who can like create their own space, create their own shot. They got players like that. Chelsea Gray, Kalia Copper. You also got a nice combination of defenders. Brittany Sykes, Lexi Hull defends. You got size as a Ray Stevens. You got Angel Reese. And I think Angel's tenacity.
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I happen to watch a couple of games. They can't.
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Yeah, well, I called that the Rose, you know, would be a really good team. I picked them as my favorite. They've now, they didn't start that way. So like, you know, look, it's easy to now, you know, point out the moment, oh, I was right. But at first they struggled. They've now won six of the last seven. And they've clinched the second playoff appearance after the Owls.
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And so this is a team that is being led by Chelsea Gray. She's their MVP. She's playing out of her mind. We're also seeing great offensive improvement from Angel Reese. You know, I said nobody can box her out. She's going to rebound. Yeah, she's owning the glass. But bigger than that, she looks a lot more poised on offense. And Lexi Hull is a worker.
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I picked out Rose. My name's Roz. I like Rose. I thought the color schemes would be easy to match. Camo, also I got the Angel Reese joint. So shout out to Angel. But it was such a cute night. I went to Fan Fest. I like won a shooting game. And then like the actual experience in the arena itself was so cracking. I caught a historic night. Girl, I hope you were watching.
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So this team is coming together at the right time. What are you seeing?
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Yeah, I mean, Hull Island, you've heard they said that? So she brings, she's just a worker. She's going to cut and move without the ball. She's going to crash and try to attack the glass. She's going to work hard on defense. And you know where you learn to be a great full-bodied player like that? at Stanford University. Boom! Yeah, Lexi! Go Card!
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But, you know, I also want to point out another team and I want to point out the Laces, who right now are sitting outside of the playoff top four and their record is deceiving. If this team in the Laces can manage to find a way to squeak into the playoffs, they are dangerous. Don't look at that record because they were strong to begin with and they got tripped up. Everybody got hurt.
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The entire team was injured and then all relief pool players. And now everybody's back and all of those healthy players that are back. Alyssa Thomas, Jackie Young, Tiffany Hayes, and of course Kayla McBride. Those are some veteran dogs, buckets, experienced assassins, two-way players, defensive stalwarts, tough. Like they can compete with anyone.
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So if they get in there, they are a dangerous wild card.
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You know, the team you wanted to be was a March team. You wanted to be ramping up and improving at this time of season. Shout out to coach Phil Handy, who has had this team improve collectively. And he's worked really hard with each of those players individually. And you're seeing that. payoff.
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You're seeing from a veteran player like Courtney Vandersloot, who at times is leading the competitive fire for this team. Or you're seeing the individual improvement and the increase of joy and engagement over the entire body of a game from Jewel Lloyd. And that was something she was working on. Not busting out for 20 straight points.
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No, just over the course of the whole game, playing with joy and making contributions. So her improvement. But everything The Mist is doing is anchored by Breanna Stewart. You know, Breanna Stewart is what makes them go. And let's look at some highlights of Stewie, because she's been, in this three-game winning streak for the Miss, she's been a huge part of it.
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Stewie is one of the best players in the world, and she's been doing a great job at Unrivaled getting to the rim, getting to the basket, attacking off the bounce, playing with her back to the cup, running her lane. She's got all these different moves, counter moves for counter moves. But what impresses me most about Stewie
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Did you see Brittany Griner with the first ever dunk in Unrivaled history? I did. And it was all over my feed this morning. Absolutely love it. I don't know what's crazier. The fact that like this was not like a running start dunk. It was in the action of like the flow of offense and a half court set, really nice pass, really great finish.
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You're talking about one of the best players in the world who's so willing to do the dirty work. Like she is on the glass. She's in there making things, gritty things happen. She's top five in total points, total assists, total rebounds. She's number two rebounds per game. And when she crashes the glass, a defensive board, she can get it and go and impact pace.
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An offensive board, she can get a foul. She'll get to the free throw line. Like Stewie makes great things happen on the court. And she just got a lot of heart.
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Hey, what's up, Good Follow? This is Roz Golden-Wooday, and I am coming to you live from Miami at the Unrivaled Campus. And we have in person here from Team Rose, from the Washington Mystics, my girl, Slim, Brittany Sykes.
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You know what? I'm from New York, and I can't tell. Sometimes people can't tell that. Am I giving New York vibes?
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Exactly. We lined up during your stop with the L.A. Sparks, so I really got to know your basketball game before you were there. Before we actually talk about basketball stuff, one of the things we're doing right now is setting intentions.
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Because you're on the talker tick. You're on the grammy gram. You're doing all the things you're with Gen Z doing this and that. Like, come on. What's up, content queen?
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You might have to hire somebody to do the editing. You just like plop all the content and you say, put this thing together. But that's one thing that I really noticed in being able to be close to you for long periods of time as a fellow broadcaster on Unrivaled and being together in Miami. You're such a lovely person.
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You really make time for people and your friendships and dynamics are so genuine. It's not just like kissing babies and shaking hands like Lisa messing with you. She's rocking with you. And that brings me to one of the friendships that, you know, people enjoy watching. It's between you and Dawn Staley as we, you know, sit here in March Madness and the women's tournament is underway.
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What have you seen as a lifelong friend of Dawn Staley? What did you see in her as a player, as a teammate, as a friend that you recognize now in her as a coach?
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Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, you mentioned her as a roommate and you guys were teammates in the Olympics. Now, were you roommates with her? What was Dawn like as a roommate? Oh, my God.
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Hey, what's up, y'all? Welcome to Good Follow, presented by DraftKings. I'm Roz Gold on Wooday, and that right there, that's my girl, Logan Hackett. Logan, how are you doing? I'm great. How are you? Girl, I'm so excited. There's so much happening in basketball. March Madness, it's now. We are in the April part of it. We are heading to the Final Four. I'm heading to Tampa. I'm so excited.
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Yeah. Yeah. You also mentioned you work well together. What are the chances you could see yourself? You know, is there any truth to these rumors that might be circulating right now and buzzing that you could work together on a coaching staff? Because I know this is something you had talked about being interested in on the WNBA side.
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And now there's all this buzz that, oh, Lisa and Dawn may link up.
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Okay. So it was social media running.
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Okay. Okay. We keep it moving then. You know, within the March Madness, we have had some sadness, obviously with the injury to the ACL of Juju Watkins. And I know this also hits home to, you know, USC is your alma mater. What does this injury mean for the trajectory of the career of Juju Watkins?
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Yes, yes, I have no doubts. I mean, this is something that has been overcome before in an ACL, but it certainly was shocking, right, and heard around the women's basketball world. But I'm here to tell you, as we look forward and look positive, that there is so many opportunities other exciting players and storylines and teams to be following in this tournament as well.
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And this tournament has been full of surprises, you know, so we got to come to you and ask who are some of the surprising teams and surprising players of the tournament and how has their performance and surprises, how's that going to shape the rest of March Madness?
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And what's your take on that? I was impressed by it because come March Madness, come the tournament, come, hey, we're one win away from the Final Four. You better believe that the scouting report is in, right? So what you need to advance are X factors.
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Just shifting a little bit from March Madness into other women's basketball, I mean, where you and I had the chance to work together was unrivaled in Miami. The season has come to a close. Just... Lisa, how would you evaluate this first inaugural season of Unrivaled and its trajectory moving forward?
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Players stepping up outside of themselves and putting on an incredible performance that the other team may not have counted for or maybe made a bet on, like, all right, we're going to take away this one. Let's see if they can beat me there. And that's exactly what happened with Tamia Gardner hitting five threes in the game. I mean, that's an X factor stepping up.
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Yeah, I loved it. Wow. Wow. No, I thought it was a great success, you know, and I thought it was every single thing that could be epic for Unrivaled happened, like whether it was the one on one tournament and Nafisa's dominance or the fact that the Owls dominated all the way and then got knocked out by a four seed or. I can't believe it.
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You know, like it was, it was just, and all the trash talking and the rivalries for 10 weeks, people cared.
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And, you know, with the team vinyl overcoming the dominance of the Owls, my immediate reaction was... only coach Spoon. You know, seriously, you hear about those players speak after overcoming such, you know, such a dominant team. And they all said, boy, Teresa Weatherspoon was speaking in my ear, was keeping us into it.
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Do you think this was a really, just a good showing for Teresa Weatherspoon since leaving Chicago, just the coaching job there?
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Or Jaquez with the dagger three, a big shot, rebounds, just steals, working throughout the game to make things happen. And as somebody who's been a point guard in stressful, tough situations, you know, I'm looking at Kiki Rice, who did not have a good shooting game, but still had eight assists. That takes mental toughness to continue to just stay with it, stay with it.
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So, I mean, and with the WNBA season, it's not even a year. We talking about a handful of months.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, staying in on the conversation around like the WNBA on a whole, this is a pivotal time for the league itself. And attention's at an all time high. Ratings are at an all time high. They're adding WNBA teams. And right now the CBA is in renegotiations. And, you know, we'll get you out around this conversation.
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But as they go into renegotiations with the CBA, what do you think is important for the players and the league to keep in mind and be wary of?
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And speaking of mental toughness, we're going to highlight the fact that Lauren Betts had foul trouble in the game. But what stood out to me is that despite having foul trouble through the first half of the game, she still was able to come in and make big impact. I mean, she had six blocks in the game. She still had 17 points. She made her presence known on both ends.
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It's really hard when you're sitting out for that long, especially early, not to get psyched out, not to get cold, or it's hard to find your way back into a rhythm of the game. And instead, she was able to stay with it. The sign of a really high level and high mental toughness type player.
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on whether or not she should have this guest, Angel said herself, it's her podcast. Shannon Sharp is interviewing all sorts of kinds of guests and he's made his podcast one of the biggest in the country, in the world possibly. So why shouldn't Angel Reese have the opportunity for that, for her to be a platform where people get to take control of their own narratives?
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That was the whole point of this in the first place, right, for Angel?
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It's baby season. I feel like everybody's having a baby right now. I literally have started a budget for baby showers. It's getting out of control. Like I have to keep a calendar for all of everybody's like love babies, marriage engagements now. I mean, that's where I am in my life, Logan, maybe not for you yet.
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So we're just like, we're going to the final four. Yeah.
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Yeah, right. Logan, we're rocking out on our show. Good follow show. And it's now coming to an end, my love. So we want to thank all of you for rocking with us, for watching the show. I have seen y'all subscribing, commenting, liking. We thank you. You know, follow us on socials. We're going to keep trying to bring it for y'all. Every Wednesday at 7, we drop.
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We want to make sure to thank one of the GOATs, one of the legends of the game, probably one of our biggest guests ever to come to the show or most decorated in Lisa Leslie. Awesome interview with her. And Logan, any final words before we head out of here? Nothing but love ya. We're presented by DraftKings. We'll see you next week. Bye, guys.
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yeah i i too felt mind-boggled by the play of sarah strong i mean you know first of all 22.17 rebounds that's incredible but also the fact that she got to it right away and early you got a freshman setting the tone for your team and gino oriema challenged her he knew remember we talked about this in the beginning hey the scout is in we're taking away the stars so he challenged his freshman to step up and she did this is part of like the march madness um she's unafraid
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You know I like warm weather.
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She can play at different ranges. She's a mobile post that can shoot from three. She's undersized, but she makes it happen. And I'm really impressed by her poise. You know, she's heading to her first Final Four as a freshman. I remember my first Final Four. I wasn't a freshman, but I remember the first. And I was with Stanford.
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And literally, like, my first shot of the game, I believe I was starting. Yeah, I was a starter. My first shot of the game, I shot right over the rim. Like, whoop. Just right over it. And I think Tara just yanked me right away. I don't know. But more to say, like, yo, these moments are big. These stages are big.
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i love the shout out i think you know all of these guards are opportunistic and she came in was really great she ran her lane paige found her she got some really important layups and you're gonna need a full team effort for uconn but it also brings me um to to paige you who had a 40-point game, now a 31-point game, and she is aggressively hunting her shot. And she's reading the defense.
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If the defense is going to sit back in a drop coverage or if they're going to go under a screen, she's pulling from deep and fast. So she's going to burn you with the three. If the defense is on her hip, she's going to take you off the bounce. And what I love is how strong her final two steps are into her pull-up jumper. She's really set and balanced into that midi, that mid-range jump shot.
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She does not get in too deep. She does a great job of locating the gap and the hole and hits that. And she's really been great for mid-range and deadly. And maybe even more importantly...
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Not you being haunted by the voice of Ryan Rucco. You're in your kitchen. You bet. Oh my God, where are you? Where are you, Ryan Rucco? I'm gonna tell him that. No, but what's up to all of you? I know everyone watching at home. We've got a great show for you. Let me take you through the rundown today. And then there were four. We are definitely breaking down the woman's final four.
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Paige's understanding of the moment, when there's a moment where the momentum could swing or when they need to close a quarter or where they need to pour it on or they need a response, I have found that Paige has been stepping up to provide that in this tournament for UConn.
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Well, well, I'll just add in though, though. I think, I think it's an interesting point too, about like what those shots look like. I actually have been really impressed. I feel like a lot of her shots have been on balance. Yeah. You know, like that she's finding the gap and elevating, you know, elevating for it. I think she's very skilled and under control. Absolutely.
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Yeah, I was thinking about where the advantages are for these two teams. And I think one aspect of this, there's a mental kind of framing aspect of this. For UConn, they've been to the Final Four now. This is their second time in a row. They've been there 24 times. And it's very clear that the goal for them is the championship. They want to get Paige over the hump here.
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This has been an overarching storyline. Now, that's not to say UCLA's goal is not to win the championship, but you gotta be careful here because they are in a different place in the fact that this is the first Final Four in program history. So I think some very intentional reframing is important to make sure that you're not just happy with, you know, to be there.
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You want to make sure you're not just happy to be there. You're not happy with that headline that you want to get greedy right now and get two more wins. And so that's all I'm saying is that there is a mental advantage here that I think favors UConn. And it's just a matter of reframing that could help UCLA approach this game right. Size battle is another thing I'm looking at.
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I think the size battle is with UCLA and Lauren Betts. And I'm looking at the matchup. If we see Lauren Betts and Sarah Strong against each other at any point, I mean, maybe you could see UConn utilize their mobility to create foul trouble or their shooting ability, like Sarah Strong's ability to possibly pull a defender out, perhaps. Perhaps Lauren Betts opens up the paint for everyone else.
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But I still think that advantage goes UCLA. And then UConn, the advantages with their guard play between just experience, productivity, consistency, and pagebackers.
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It's a great point. And I actually think that that is an advantage for UConn though, because we haven't even seen AZ Fudd have some big game in this tournament. Like that's almost like something that could be another X factor for them in the final four. Should she come more alive? Maybe she's just saving it for Tampa.
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And you know, we've been talking about March Madness, but the madness is happening in the transfer portal, y'all. It is absolutely insane. So we are talking about that transfer portal and what's going on there. We also have an exclusive interview with Hall of Famer Lisa Leslie joins the show. And the interview is awesome.
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Girl, experience matters at this point of the season, and I agree. It looked like Duke did not know how to execute down the stretch and just close that game out and win or grab it or steal it or take it. And look, it's South Carolina who continues to find a way. But for me, again, at this point of the year, A win is a win is a win, and they don't have to be pretty. Win in advance.
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You only need two more at this point to the championship, and neither one of them got to be pretty. You just need a W. And so for South Carolina, I think what's key for them, they have an identity around defense. They've got to make sure that they at minimum execute that. And keep the game low scoring and, you know, make it hard on the other team.
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Offensively, South Carolina doesn't necessarily have some go-to, like, huge superstar player. It's by committee. And everyone's seemingly been, like, scrapping it together to make something happen. And for me, what that brings to light is just how great Dawn Staley has been. at understanding what buttons to push for her players, when to push them and how to.
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Like for instance, in the Sweet 16, it was Mylasia Fulwiley who came through and had a huge second half after Dawn Staley got on her. And she recognized in Fulwiley that in the past that she might've closed down, shut down, but that she was ready for that now. And she responded to have a huge second half and push them into the Elite Eight. In the Elite Eight game, Chloe Kitts had a strong finish.
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And she's been playing really strong as of late. But I think that Dawn Staley empowered her at the end. And there's some post-game, you hear them talking about how Dawn was like, yo, we're going to you. And Chloe wasn't fully even sure herself. She admitted that. And she said, I had to tell myself at the free throw line, I'm a good basketball player and I'm going to make that.
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And I found it really relatable because just because you're in these situations and shining in them does not mean that you always know right away that it's going to be you. There are some players who know, but there are some who are figuring it out as they go along. And Dawn. put her players in positions to step up and shine, and they did. And guess what?
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She did that in different ways for each of them. Different messaging for Fulwiley, different messaging for Kitts,
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And I got to tell you that there's a number of coaches, high-level coaches, that don't know how to talk to their players or only have one way to talk to their players and sometimes crush their confidence instead of empowering them or don't know that different players need different things. And as South Carolina scraps one win after another, and these are scrappy, squeak-it-out wins, it's dawn.
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who's understanding what buttons to push, who to empower, and how are we going to get out of this? And so I just want to shout out Dawn Staley on the coaching job.
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Well, when you have two strong defensive teams, possessions matter even more. So that's one. Also, can Texas take advantage of their size? And then finally, Madison Booker. She is shooting only 21% in losses to the Gamecocks this season.
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She talks about her relationship with Dawn Staley, the WNBA's negotiations of the CBA. We reflect on Unrivaled, all the things. I mean, we're even talking about taste testing oxtails, all the things. So really cool to catch up with one of the GOATs.
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What's up, Good Follow? We have a legendary guest joining us today. We have a Hall of Famer, a two-time WNBA champion, a three-time WNBA MVP, a four-time Olympic gold medalist. These are just to name a few of the accolades of the great and awesome Lisa Leslie. What's going on, Lisa?
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Yes. People don't know. Yes. We were together covering Unrivaled and we were down in Miami in Medley and Lisa and I needed a lunch break. And we said, girl, where are we going to find some oxtails?
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We did it. It was delicious. And we had the mac and cheese side, right? Yes. I read all a bunch of your accolades, but an accolade that, you know, may not even be on your Wikipedia page and is flying under the radar, content queen. OK, content queen, because like, how do you love and crush social media so much? And how are you staying up with all of these trends?
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especially over there in the Warriors yeah that's what they got versus like the Houston Rockets and all the other teams what you think about that series as soon as the Warriors lined up against the Rockets I was like I know the Rockets gotta be tired of the Warriors I know they gotta be
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tired of the Warriors in the postseason because they just keep knocking them just one team out and it's different generations of Rockets being tired of the Warriors and now you got this new era of Rockets these young guys trying to bust out and the old guys won't let them in Draymond, Steph and so you know I just think at this time of year What's showing is experience still matters.
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Knowing how to win still matters. And also being Steph matters. Like, you know, period, right? Being Steph Curry helps. No, but like... Going up against the defense of the Rockets against him was physical. It was athletic. It was youthful. It was eager. And, like, what impressed me was Steph's cuts to the basket off the ball or with the ball.
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You know, we're going to watch all the highlights of Steph shooting threes when it's all said and done and making tough shots and actually coming out of that game making some tough threes. But for me, it was the reads against very physical, tough defense to the cup. Steph's always been really nice off the bounce to the basket and finishing.
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for that swish so get your conditioning training in together you feel me that's what being a big boy is you know whether it's Jimmy Butler or Stephen Curry or even you know Draymond Green or somebody coming up with the play you know or a stop or just a read that makes sense and so like
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at least for game one, you know, the Warriors had the Rockets card, but I do think that the Rockets' youth, growing experience, hunger, their athleticism over the course of a series may wear on the Warriors. I think that was a really tough, I think it was hard work what Steph pulled off. That game was physical against him, and he's going to have to do that throughout a series.
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Oh, I definitely feel you. And that means a lot to me. And I'm really thrilled to see that, you know, you're building out this lane and this show, you know, for yourself. When I heard that, oh, Juju's doing, you know, something new and cool and his own with Ball, which also you do, I know you do the men's and the women's. I was like, oh, I want to pull up. Like, so excited for you. Congrats. And
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Yeah.
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Queens get the money. I'm from Queens. So you know who I'm rolling with. And there's nothing like the Mecca and the garden and just feeling that energy. And it's always exciting when New York basketball is good. So, and I'm getting texts from my, like, it's also a family moment for me. You know,
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As much as I cover basketball, I try to make sure that I'm still enjoying it with passion, enthusiasm, and like a fan. I guess it's okay to say that. People have fandom as professionals. But, like, I don't want to lose that joy. And so, like, it's a family moment.
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Like when, you know, I'm getting a text from my sister or my group chat's going crazy or, you know, my group chat thinks there's a conspiracy from the refs because there's no fouls. Or, you know, and I think, like, that's, you know, what makes it special. Yeah.
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You were there for some of the dysfunction. You stuck around as a fan.
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Yeah, and we hope that Kennedy Carter finds a team, like, you know, because she had a career season in Chicago. But I know that Atlanta, it's personal for you. You know the players, and they rock with you, you know?
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I love Leisha. Leisha curved the ring.
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Congratulations. So speaking of rings, so I cover the New York Liberty in the summer.
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No, no, no. They won their ring. They won a championship. Yeah, I see you got your Sav jersey. All I'm trying to say here, this wasn't just a plug that the Liberty won and that Atlanta didn't. We love all teams. I happen to be the color commentator for the New York Liberty, but I also grew up on a Liberty. Like my mother took me to the games when the WNBA started and I had a Rebecca Lobo jersey.
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And like when the Liberty won, um, the championship, like it was, I mean, so I, like I did the formal professional stuff at Barclays five games. I leave, I get my people and we hit the streets. Like, we are out in Brooklyn in the streets. Like, the cops are out with us banging on garbage cans. Like, people are dancing in the street. The music is up. People are honking their horns.
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And it, like, it took 28 years. It took the entire history of the WNBA to get the Liberty Championship. It was me, my sister, like, old friends from back in the day, college friends. We was just outside. And, like, I was dancing. I was doing all sorts of stuff. I was saucing. And it just felt so good.
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Ellie, honestly, might have had the biggest year ever. I'm trying to see who had a bigger year than Ellie. Ellie had a bigger year than some of the WNBA players. I seen her on the State Farm commercial with Jake. Ellie's unapologetic. Ellie speaks to the people. I hosted the championship parade for the Liberty. And we didn't even know if Ellie was going to be part of it. It was game time.
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Like, so... We didn't know. I have a script. We're working with the city. There's thousands of people outside at City Hall. We've got the mayor. We've got the players. We've got ownership all on the stage. I'm kind of like I heard Ellie might be part of it. I wasn't sure. All of a sudden, they're like, Ellie's here. Just just announce her. I was like, and guess who's here?
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Like, I forgot what I said, but I was just like, Ellie, the elephant. When I say it was like Beyonce herself came out. There was like a dance routine dancers. Ellie gonna come down with the door like this. And the crowd goes wild. And I was like, OK, you better go ahead. You are so silly, but I'm here for it.
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Keep doing your thing. Keep being you. Like, I think that's the difference, right?
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Biggest leap? The Indiana Fever. Mm-hmm. caitlyn clark and and and now a squad full of like they smashed the off season over there they really crushed free agency and supported her with champions with experience with vets with talent with real like you know very high level weapons indy really ramped up and i'm excited for caitlyn clark in year two i think she is the real deal i think she she
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Absolutely lived up to the height. And I think she'll continue to meet or even exceed expectations. She's very talented.
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I do love, you know, an old school record or old school Sunday. But I will say, like, right now I'm listening to R&B in my mornings, in my car. I'll be listening to it, working out. And so I hope I don't say his name wrong, but I love everything he's doing. Elmeen?
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I live in California, so I was up watching, you know, the West Coast series. I was watching the Clippers and the Nuggets last night. And I know, I know. You know, I've always got my eyes on the Warriors. You know, one of these things that stands out to me in the playoffs is that in the calendar year of 2025, like... The vets still vetting. They still got it.
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Elmeen. Elamin or something? Yeah. I'm not sure.
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All his music, I love. He's beautiful music. Kehlani, I enjoy. I can get down sometimes. What I'm tapping in sometimes to my inner toxic queen. No, but she's so talented. I love Thames. That Mutt song, Quiet as Kept, I like the original version more than the remix. Chris Brown?
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I like the original better, although when you have a chance to put Chris Brown on a track, I guess you got to do it. You got to do it.
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But I did like the original and the way it made me feel. There's a couple of songs of a season that stand out, and that one does.
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I like swag surf for the community. I'd be happy for the children and stuff.
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Which is still a classic. I'm happy to see my boy make his money. Who's that, Khaled?
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That might be a serial killer. Ain't nobody normal just driving around listening to All I Do is Win. Where are the places you got to be to listen to All I Do is Win? An arena?
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A marathon racetrack? I can't even think. Where else?
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A college graduation.
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Alley Oop 6: Kawhi, Big Ellie, and Indiana Fever with Ros Gold-Onwude
That might be a serial killer. Ain't nobody normal. Just driving around, listening to all I do is win.
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These old superstars, they still them guys. They just know how to win, you know? Like, look at Kawhi right now. You miss a whole year, come back, and look like you never missed a beat.