Ruban Nielson

A lot of them are insane.

but I mean as far as music goes I really find it an inspiring place to be because the culture is pretty appreciative of musicians and there's a lot of good music here a lot of the music that I love is from here so that part of it's quite cool politically it's always been insane like since I've been here

um and people are um people are pretty warm you know like they're like in person they're pretty friendly um people i think you know i think kiwis are known as being friendly like when americans go to new zealand they said that

Kiwis are friendly.

So I suppose New Zealanders are friendly, but Americans are kind of friendly in a different way.

They're quite like boisterous or something.

So that part of it's kind of pleasant too.

Portland's a little bit like New Zealand in some ways as well.

Like the weather and population here in Portland, it's not that different from the vibes in like Wellington or Auckland, I don't think.

Yeah, I think so, yeah.

Well, I remember the song, the chords and the lyrics and everything came before that drum part.

I'm a bit terrified that I'm going to get the story wrong because the drums were written somewhere between Paul Roper, who was the drummer, and Cody.

And I think – I really can't remember exactly how it started, but I think it might have been – yeah, I can't actually remember.

I think it might have been Cody played that pattern, or it might have been Paul, and I feel like I'm really stepping –

into controversial territory there.

No, you've covered yourself.

I wish I could remember exactly how it happened.

No, that's fine.

It wasn't me.

I didn't come up with the drum part.