Ruben Azizian

And do we just follow Trump or we do something different?

That depends how you define World War III.

We could very well define what's happening as a World War III.

You know, it's like at the draw.

New Zealand, with all respect, I'm sure is not the first priority for either Mr. Putin or Kremlin or the security apparatus.

Yeah, absolutely.

I think that's a very good point.

The way the intelligence community, I think, works in Russia and perhaps many other places, the tactic has changed.

The form of penetration and influence has changed.

So I'm reminded, I was reminded a few days ago about the such case.

I think everything is possible.

It could be new such cases, maybe.

Although we have different types of such cases here already, right, in New Zealand.

We have some in the Russian community who have basically collected funding to support the Russian army.

I think there was an insurance company in New Zealand that was insuring the dark fleet.

So whether they are connected directly with the intelligence community or not, we don't know.

But the form of this influence has changed.

We read New Zealand SIS reports.

Russia, I think, is mentioned alongside North Korea.

Maybe China is countries that are very proactive in cyber information inference.