Rudyard Griffiths

a process of chaos, if that oxymoron makes sense.

And I just, I don't know, I just wish we could see this for what it is and move the conversation on.

Talking, Janice, about moving conversations on, let's say goodbye to our complimentary listeners.

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our monk donors after the short break.

And we're going to talk about something that happened this week.

It doesn't always happen.

Monk debaters get into the news.

We've had a lot of famous people on the monk debate stage over the course of the last decade and a half or so.

But this week, two monk debaters who are in the same debate together, Louise Arbour and Nigel Farage, both made big news for different reasons.

And we're going to unpack this right after this short break.

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