Russell Crowe

But that's not what he found.

And sitting down talking to the 22...

major Nazi sort of names that he was assigned to post-war, he realized that every single one of these people was, you know, was normal.

Well, there was a couple that were pretty out there.

But, you know, for the most part, he was dealing with rational men.

How the hell did they end up making this series of decisions if they're rational men?

Incrementally.

Yes.

And that's the thing that's difficult because –

Gigantic jumps, we can all read.

But little incremental changes.

The boiling of the frog.

Just how you take away this person's rights, that person's personal power, and slowly you get to a point where the average person then turns around and goes, how did we get to here?

I thought it was about something else.

There's a smoke screen going up, and I thought we were doing that.

And as it turns out, it's very different.

It's one of the most dangerous things, and I see it going on everywhere at the moment, that we're trying to say that you're either, you know, and for want of a better teen name, that you're either red or that you're blue.

Right.

And humans are far more nuanced than that.

We're not that extreme.