Russell Crowe

And the idea that you can split all of us into two camps, it's kind of nuts.

Yeah, it's nuts.

And it takes out all the room for subtlety in a discussion.

And therefore, it makes communicating with each other less and less available.

But it's – It's going nowhere good.

Yeah.

We have the same sort of two-principle party system in Australia as well.

But we have a slight advantage in that we're kind of –

on the edge of the world in a lot of ways.

So what I've always said is when you're growing up in Australia and New Zealand, you grow up looking out.

Yes, you understand your own culture and all that, but you grow up looking at what else is happening in the rest of the world, what's happening in Europe, what's happening in America.

But by and large, Americans grow up looking in.

The principal sports are only played by American teams, American football, in some instances baseball, but they're not the types of sports that we play where the pinnacle of that sport is international competition.

Rugby union, rugby league, cricket, football, soccer.

So we grow up with that as being...

the pinnacle of any particular sport if you get to represent your country.

And that's only really relevant in an American sense in an Olympic period, you know?

Right.

And it's a fascinating game.

And anybody who loves baseball, generally I've found baseball lovers are all about the minutiae.