Ryan Grim

Right.

And talked to his team quite a bit.

And, you know, pretty much agreed to, you know, no holds barred.

We had some time limits in place, but, you know, because we had a schedule and things like that.

How long?

I forget what we said, but he said something like we only wanted an hour.

And I think we said we did not ever...

We didn't say that.

So I think we had discussed a longer engagement.

Because he normally does three to four.

Yeah.

And I think it was probably shorter than he normally does, but longer than he said that we were asking for, if I recall correctly.

And look, you know, I think the reason why was, you know, I think the vice president wanted to talk to the audience, but also we just, I mean, I say this in the piece, I think

we started to really lose the race when we lost the attention war with Donald Trump, and we needed something that would shake it up.

But I think it was gonna be a challenging interview.

I mean, Rogan is not easy, and he'll ask questions that you're not used to getting, and you have to get comfortable with being uncomfortable, and a lot of political figures, that's a hard thing.

And so I figured if we did the show,

He would get a couple of marks on the vice president.

I thought the vice president might get a couple of marks on him.

But, you know, it was a sort of team discussion, and we netted out on wanting to do it, but the logistics just sort of didn't work out.