Ryan Hanley

I didn't have a great, it was something that I hadn't actually wrapped my head around enough to have a great response to, but I'm very interested in where you stand on that.

No, I think that's a wonderful way of positioning it.

And I think that's a really interesting idea around the titles.

To me, to me, like, I think my brain is slightly broken because, like,

those kinds of things have literally never mattered to me.

So I've experienced people and I have experienced it on the side of like, you know, when I was a junior, you know, I was junior in certain organizations, you get treated differently than you do in other times.

Again, that was also 25 years ago, you know, so there's a little bit of difference in timing, but then where we are today, I think I agree with you.

And I'm, I'm really interested in, we'd love for you to expand on this idea of

we all move more towards consulting either internally or externally as organizations.

Obviously we have our expertise, but maybe expand on that a little bit.

Cause I have a feeling that's an idea that not a lot of people have really spent a lot of time thinking about.

Yeah.

So even though I tend to work more with smaller companies, uh, the insurance industry has been my home industry for about 20 years now.

And, um, you know, some, we saw some, we're seeing some really interesting things happen.

Uh, acquisition just announced a $4,000 or $4,000, 4,000 person layoff.

And you just don't see large layoffs like that.

And many orgs on the property casualty insurance side, because of the kind of steady nature.

And they referenced automation and AI as one of the reasons why they were laying these individuals off.

That is, I'm going to use the word intriguing to be not apocalyptic because like we don't see things like that in that space.

It just doesn't happen.