Ryan Hanley

But my point in saying all this is that without any of really understanding the psychology behind it, I've never understood how someone could demand something of another person in a business environment.

Without that connection, like, it doesn't produce results.

That's the part that has always been interesting to me is, like I said, I tend to try to work everything through reality.

I may not like reality, but I try to work it through reality.

And it just doesn't produce results.

If we have no connection at all and you just show up to this podcast and I start pounding questions off your face, how –

open are you going to be to sharing insights or stories or laugh or zero right it's just going to be this bland generic thing that that whatever we kind of get through and then we're done versus i love new orleans most drunk i've ever been worst hangover ever had you know what i mean like also some of the best food i've ever had some of the most interesting people i've ever known you know i mean like now we're going okay and then you're asking me like like

It just, it doesn't, and that, what was that interaction?

Two minutes?

Exactly my point.

And I would love for you to break this one down for me.

I hear a lot of people, a lot of leaders will be like, yeah, well, but, you know, if I do it myself or if I just tell them how to do it, then it gets done the way that I want.

And I see that as complete cop out.

Like that's fear, that scarcity mindset.

Like how does how do you rattle someone out of that cage?

Because that that just that road leads nowhere.

That dog does not hunt.

Plus, like, this is – so I was talking to a guy the other day.

I was after a keynote and –

After I get done keynoting, I want like a beer so badly.