Ryan Hanley

And there's a few other reasons as well, but here's where my question comes in.

So many people that I do business with or that I work with, not my close circle, because obviously they wouldn't be in your inner circle of people if you weren't willing to have these depths of conversations, but so many people I bump into

They're afraid to talk about politics or mix politics in any way with business for a whole myriad of fears.

And I can't get past that anymore.

I feel like the reason we're here today is because, I'll give you an example.

I was in a mastermind, 60 people in the room, and the topic of politics came up.

And I stood up and I said,

I think it is cowardice to play this, I don't talk about politics thing in business.

I think that's pure cowardice.

It was like, dude, you would have thought that I just ripped the biggest fart in the middle of Catholic mass ever.

Everyone was aghast at the fact that I would say that I thought it was cowardice.

It sparked this incredible debate that really didn't have a, we couldn't come to a conclusion.

But the general sense was people are very, very nervous, incredibly nervous and scared about talking about politics in any way as it relates to business.

One, do you think that that's a good thing and a good business practice?

And two, how do you handle

politics and political conversations in these topics because for who I do business with, it's incredibly important to me, at least to know where your head is at.

I don't have to agree with everything, but it's important.

I guess the context of the question was I feel like people use business as an excuse.

I actually share 100% your reason for being vocal.

I just don't think I'm willing to accept the consequences, any consequences that may come with someone