Ryan Hanley

Or just not enough in my opinion.

And to your point, like you got this position and they were just like, here's a bunch of people, go make them successful, right?

And there's no training on being that.

And even a lot of management training

is like all about, and I'm not knocking measure what matters, but I feel like people read the title and get the concept completely wrong, right?

They're like, we need to measure everything.

And all that matters is measurement.

And it's like, well, yeah, I mean, you got to hit numbers.

You're a business.

You need to be profitable, obviously, but that's not actually what produces results.

And so I,

To me, it comes back to, and this is, you know, in your work, and I was diving into some of the articles you wrote and stuff, and I feel like we're aligned here, but I really want to get your ideas.

Like, so much of what I teach is just ego, literally.

When I'm talking to people, it's about removing ego.

My TED Talk that I did was 100% about how ego impacts our ability to lead, and we are –

we have almost no education on how to deal with our own ego.

And so much of this comes back to, do you agree with that premise that ego is a big part of it?

And I actually had a, I got into a debate about this the other day.

I was keynoting and then I was talking to a few people afterwards and I brought up this idea of ego on stage because again, it's a lot of the work that I do.

And someone, you know, someone brought a really interesting point to me and I, and I, and I, I responded, but the more I think about it, I'm just not exactly sure where I, where my head is at yet.