Ryan Kidd

And I think that like, yeah, I think people should also just treat the application process as a learning experience.

In general, this is, we try and make it like,

Some streams are gonna be more painful than others, but I think that for the streams like Neil Nanda's where you spend 10 hours working on a project, then you have something really cool for your GitHub.

And that can only help.

And if you don't like doing that, you're not going to like working with Neil anyway, I would imagine.

Yeah, definitely the case.

I do think it is unfortunate that there aren't, like, easy ways to do credit assignment cheaply, right, to find the best people without them spending a bunch of time.

But I don't know.

Like, I know that job interviews for top tech companies like OpenAI and Anthropic and GDM just last, like,

three to six months or something.

Like you just, like you've got so many things to do before you get finally the yes or no.

So we definitely aren't that involved, right?

It's a much slower process.

And I think that's because like the commitment is less, you know, in our end, right?

We're not, we're not giving people W2s.

MATS is an independent research program.

They get grants from a third party.

We provide the housing, the office, the mentorship community, but we don't sign people on for any type of employment, which I think is part of the appeal as well.

So that's the main statistic there, 7%.

At the other end, about 75% of our accepted fellows go on to our extension phase.