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Ryan Knudson

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3522 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

You're only going to get 5% of your money back.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

Well, Blue Owl did what I think they thought was the right thing and something that they thought the market would appreciate, but instead it just threw gasoline on the fire and things got like way worse really fast.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

That's next.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

And so senior management at Blue Owl are faced with this choice.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

We can either hold the line at 5% or we can go over 5%.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

And so what they decided to do was say, you know what, we'll pay triple what they would have to do under the fine print of their contracts.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

And they thought that that would calm everybody down.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

It totally backfired.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

People were like, wait, I thought it was 5%, but now they're paying 15%.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

Like, should I, can I get more?

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

I should, okay, oh my God, like, what's going on?

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

I don't know what the rules are.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

There's just a lot of confusion in the market.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

And one thing the market hates is uncertainty, you know?

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

Blue Owl was trying to provide certainty.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

They were trying to show, look, we have the money, we're going to pay you out.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

And instead, it did the opposite.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

And the biggest fund investors in it requested 22% back.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

It's massive.

The Journal.
'Eject! Eject! Eject!' Inside the Private Credit Panic

You know, it was $5.4 billion requested.