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The Journal.

Trump's 'Donroe Doctrine' on Foreign Policy

06 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the new direction of Trump's foreign policy?

2.545 - 19.542 Ryan Knudson

Our colleague Greg Ip, chief economics commentator, is a bit of a history buff. And over the weekend, as President Donald Trump talked about why the U.S. captured Venezuela's president, Nicolas Maduro, something in particular stood out to him.

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20.129 - 29.165 Greg Ip

For as long as you and I can remember, when presidents went into another country, they always had high-minded reasons, you know. Oh, we need to restore democracy. He's threatening his neighbors.

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No one, friend or foe, should doubt our desire for peace.

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When George H.W. Bush freed Kuwait from Iraq in 1991.

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And no one should underestimate our determination to confront aggression.

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When George W. Bush went into Iraq in 2003, they explicitly disavowed any interest in taking Iraq's oil.

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We have no ambition in Iraq except to remove a threat and restore control of that country to its own people.

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In contrast, Trump has made it clear that a big motivation for carrying out his operation in Venezuela is because of a desire for a highly prized commodity.

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The oil companies are going to go in. They're going to spend money. We're going to take back the oil that, frankly, we should have taken back a long time ago.

Chapter 2: How has U.S. foreign policy evolved since World War II?

97.552 - 111.864 Greg Ip

In his view, American greatness does not flow so much from values such as the promotion of democracy and freedom. It flows from more tangible things like military power, economic strength, and territory.

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And he is making it clear that when you are deciding whether to invade another country, those sorts of economic interests, including your control of their precious resources, those aren't some tertiary factor. They are front and center.

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127.538 - 173.361 Ryan Knudson

Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Ryan Knudson. It's Tuesday, January 6th. Coming up on the show, Trump's new foreign policy doctrine. All right, so Trump is charting this new course for American foreign policy that's very different from his predecessors. Before we talk exactly about what that is and what it means, I want to start with the status quo.

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It seemed like the primary force that drove American foreign policy since World War II was the spreading of democracy, exercising soft power. Can you describe what that looked like?

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185.217 - 203.441 Greg Ip

You have to sort of like divide US foreign policy in the post-war period into two phases, the Cold War and the post-Cold War period. So during the Cold War period, the North Star was push back communism. And the United States did a lot of, you know, unsavory things in the pursuit of pushing back communism. We fomented a coup d'etat in Iran.

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Three days of bloody rioting culminating in a military coup from which the one-time dictator of Iran fled for his life. in Guatemala. The tiny Caribbean coffee republic of Guatemala suffers its 60th political upheaval in 20 years.

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We pushed out duly elected people like the president of Chile because they were too close to the communists and the Russians.

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And then, after the Cold War ended and the US emerged as the global superpower, its foreign policy began to evolve.

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It was less about containing the Soviet Union, which no longer existed. It was more about spreading democracy and also keeping the world stable and free of the influence of rogue states like Iran and North Korea.

Chapter 3: What is the significance of the Donroe Doctrine?

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We can't. Frankly, Canada should be the 51st state, okay? It really should. To further enhance our national security, my administration will be reclaiming the Panama Canal.

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Greg says these seemingly disparate issues have a common thread.

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354.103 - 371.979 Greg Ip

A, they're in the Western Hemisphere, and B, they all represent potentially very significant economic assets. The Panama Canal, for example, Trump has said over and over again he thought it was a mistake to give the canal back to Panama, and so he has said he wants it back. With respect to Greenland, it's in the Western Hemisphere and it has a lot of resources.

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And Trump also has a fixation with adding to the territorial area of the United States, as President James Polk did, for example, back in the 1840s. And so Greenland is one of the few opportunities to do so.

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But what about Canada, which is such a close ally? Why does the U.S. need to control it?

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It's in some sense not surprising that Trump wouldn't logically say, why shouldn't, you know, he covet Canada? And whether he actually follows through with that, who knows? But in some sense, it fits the broader template that he's already demonstrated to us.

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All of these countries, by the way, say they're not interested in any kind of U.S. takeover. Greg says that Trump's view of foreign policy is actually taking a page out of an old playbook.

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Trump has made it clear we are going back to the great power system of before World War II, where we have spheres of influence.

Chapter 4: How does Trump's approach differ from previous presidents?

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And for the U.S., the Western Hemisphere is its sphere of influence. And it is the prerogative of the United States to essentially establish its influence through military or economic means to ensure that its own security and economic needs are taken care of.

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So the Trump administration put out this policy paper last year in which it describes Trump's view on foreign policy and explains it as a Trump corollary to the Monroe Doctrine. Now, I remember learning about the Monroe Doctrine from my high school social studies teacher, Mr. Wilson. Shout out, Mr. Wilson. But can you remind us what that is, the Monroe Doctrine?

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463.503 - 483.558 Greg Ip

Sure. President James Monroe, in his address to Congress in 1823, he said that the Western Hemisphere would no longer be a place for colonization by the European powers. And that was interpreted to mean that the Americas were to be an exclusive sphere of American influence. Now, as it happened, at the time, the United States was a pretty weak country. We barely had a navy.

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And so it's not like this gave us license to go around intervening in other countries. And for most of the 1800s, the United States preoccupied itself with expanding its own footprint within the territory of North America.

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Still, the Monroe Doctrine was effective at exerting U.S. influence in the Western Hemisphere and keeping other world powers out. The doctrine dominated U.S. foreign policy for generations, but during the Cold War, and especially after the fall of the Soviet Union, its logic didn't make as much sense anymore.

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It seemed unnecessary. The Soviet Union was gone. The Europeans were our allies. And it also seemed kind of unseemly. Those were all now, for the most part, fairly healthy democracies, and they were all friendly towards the United States. What kind of neighbor would America be to be going around threatening to meddle in their affairs?

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In fact, Obama's Secretary of State in 2013 said the Monroe Doctrine is dead.

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Today, however, we have made a different choice. The era of the Monroe Doctrine is over.

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Instead, Gregg says that U.S. leaders realize that capitalism actually gave the U.S. the power it was looking for.

Chapter 5: What are the potential benefits of the Donroe Doctrine for the U.S.?

638.162 - 640.364 Greg Ip

No. Yeah, no, I don't remember that either.

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Did I miss something?

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I thought I was covering that.

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What I think that tells you is that there's a lot about Trump's foreign policy that is very idiosyncratic to Trump himself. I don't know that anybody else in the broader foreign policy sphere or the Republican Party thinks is that important to acquire Greenland. That kind of started with Trump.

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So I think that's how it differs from the Monroe Doctrine, because for better or for worse, the Monroe Doctrine from one president to the next was broadly accepted as the logical expression of America's foreign policy interests. That was true whether you were James Monroe, whether you were John Tyler, whether you were Willie McKinley, Teddy Roosevelt.

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I'm impressed that you can rattle off all those presidents in that time period.

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Yeah.

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Or Franklin Roosevelt, for that matter. Or Dwight D. Eisenhower, right, who certainly carried out his fair share of interventions during the 1950s.

Chapter 6: What risks does the Donroe Doctrine pose for U.S. foreign relations?

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And it's not for sale.

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860.302 - 876.387 Ryan Knudson

I do wonder, though, if resources and territory are the things that actually give a country power in this century. I mean, when you look at Venezuela and its oil, sure, there's a lot there, but the U.S. is already the world's largest oil producer, and there are a lot of other places in the world that have oil.

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876.518 - 900.501 Greg Ip

Exactly. The drivers of wealth today are not natural resources. Countries and economies that depend on natural resources on the whole are not doing that well. Where is American wealth coming from? Just look at the stock market in the last year. It's technology, technology, technology. Where is the competition for preeminence and technology coming from? Not from Venezuela. It's coming from China.

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And so I think to the extent that this doctrine shifts the locus of American attention away from some of our really, really big challenges and our bigger adversaries and potentially invites conflict with our allies and people that we should not be in conflict with, then it has the potential, and I underline the word potential, to be detrimental in the long run.

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What does this doctrine say to other countries like Russia and China, though, and the U.S. 's ability to argue that those countries shouldn't invade their neighbors in the way Russia's doing in Ukraine and China is threatening to do in Taiwan?

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Yes, there is certainly a legal and moral case that the United States, by going to Venezuela, weakens its ability to argue against what Russia is doing in Ukraine. But I think you need to ask, does that matter? In the sweep of history and today, it's not obvious that they actually define or determine how other countries behave.

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So now we are living in the world of the Donro doctrine, and we've seen this action in Venezuela. Where do you think Trump might turn his attention to next?

966.682 - 987.651 Greg Ip

Well, you know, you've heard Marco Rubio say that Cuba needs to watch its back. Me, I'm a fan of listening to what Trump actually says. He's talked about Panama. He's talked a lot about Greenland, including talking about it more and more over the last few days. Just last month, he appointed an envoy to Greenland for the first time ever. And then Denmark certainly saw that as a hostile act.

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So that's where I would watch most closely.

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