Ryan Shelton

And so I just wondered if neurodivergence is a thing that you see a lot pop up for new mums because all of a sudden from what I've read and what I understand, women are very good at masking neurodivergence and then it might potentially be harder to mask when there's so much going on neurologically.

Yeah, and that routine you speak of is almost like without knowing it, they're kind of self-medicating.

It was like a self-medication beforehand.

We had Bron Lewis on the podcast, comedian and writer, extraordinary storytelling, but also talking about her journey as a new mum.

And she talked about the light and the noise being just, and we'll link this episode because if you want to hear someone talk about it much better than I just did, but the light and the noise, the sensory stuff was just all of a sudden shocking.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think a lot of people listening to this have experienced postnatal depression.

And I'd love to hear you talk about the experience of postnatal depression from what you've, from the people you've worked with.

And because I have heard people talk about it a lot.

It does.

It really does.

Too good a PR?

And if someone listening to this right now is feeling like they're in that spot in this very moment, what do you say to them?

I'd probably defer to your expertise over my own.

So when you decide you want to.

This is a really important one to talk about.

So the loss of a child.

So if a woman falls pregnant but doesn't end up giving birth, I mean, they've obviously entered matrescence.

Are they still, for the rest of their lives, matrescent?