Ryan Shelton

They were great, actually.

Because I know a lot of people, when they go through this process, they kind of whinge about being hardly done by and how it was unfair.

And that was absolutely not the case.

I genuinely, completely...

understand why they would not want to make it because it wasn't a conventional show.

Yeah.

Would have been a risk.

So I really do understand.

But yeah, it is what it is.

Yeah, yeah.

That's heartbreaking to hear again.

It was, as Hugh said, because we didn't know it was coming.

I genuinely thought when you started talking, you were going to tell us it was going ahead.

I realised when I listened back to it, that's what it would have sounded like.

Yeah, and I was ready to go bananas.

Yeah, pop the champagne.

Yeah.

And so it was devastating to – not as devastating as it was for you, obviously, but to feel this momentary thought of, oh, my God, it's happening to that rug being pulled out.

But listening to it back, two things – I mean, there's so much in there that I'd love to ask you about, but two things jumped out at me.

One is that I think –