Ryan Shelton

Anyway, moving on very quickly.

It's one of Penny's demands before we go to bed.

You did say you'd go red.

Put Hamish's voice on, please.

Hamish has dedicated his life to reporting the facts, but what are facts and how much does their truth matter?

Is that a question?

No, that's not my first question.

That's a rhetorical part of the fire.

So your TV show, The Matter of Facts, I've got a whole description of it here, but maybe it's – I think people would prefer to hear you describe what it is.

So I've been off – I haven't been on social media for nearly a month now and my life feels so much better.

I feel so much happier and just I feel much better because of it.

You've been off social media for how long now?

Would you say – I mean, I'm interested to know how you feel after – if I'm feeling that after a month or maybe this is just your normal now.

Yeah, and I think what's helpful for this conversation to set this up is just that through this TV show, which is on ABC and ABC iView, you travelled the world and met with world-leading experts on this and you've spoken to them, you've learnt a lot from them, and that will kind of help shape today's conversation, I'm guessing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It feels to me, and I would like to go on a bit of a rant about this later, but it feels to me like the- Little rant now.

Yeah, mini rant and then big one later.

It feels to me like we've got some pretty serious problems to solve in the world right now, but the more time we spend on social media, the more our quality of thought and the clarity of thought sort of diminishes and decreases, and I feel like that's a serious problem for us, but we can talk about that later on.

Sure.