Ryan Shelton

You mentioned before that you're reading – like you deliberately choose to read a book over like a Kindle or an e-reader.

What for you is the difference there?

Like how do you – why do you feel like it's something that you want to do?

Sorry, can I just answer, I have an answer to that, which I think is important because I meant to talk about the algorithm.

And also, I want to hear about how Australians are coping right now.

Because 27th of Jan, so I was, my daughter, my six-year-old daughter was starting school two days later.

And she has this thing where she will talk about the worries and concerns she has about her life will often come out when you're putting her to bed.

She'll be lying there staring at the ceiling.

She'll start talking.

And that's a really important time for her to reflect and for us to be present.

and she got up to go and get a drink of water, and I was lying on her bed waiting for her to come back.

Just checked my phone quickly, went to Instagram, stupid thing to do, and I saw Carl Stefanovic had had Pauline Hanson on his new podcast on Australia Day, and my first thing was just like I was so angry and outraged, and then I was like, well, this is so disgustingly transparent what he's doing.

And then I was thinking, why has this come up on my feed?

Why have I got this?

And then I'm looking at the comments and I'm getting more angry about the support for that.

And I had this really big feeling of overwhelm.

And my daughter comes back and she starts talking about school starting.

And I wasn't there.

I just wasn't there for it because I was so overwhelmed, angry, disappointed, what's happening to the world.

And I missed that.