Ryan Smith

Yeah.

But I don't think we knew hockey was coming.

So I think we looked around...

at all the different models and we're like, okay, none of this is for us.

I believe when it comes to organizational structure, you build around people and you, you, you know, it's just got to feel right.

Yeah.

You know, I feel like a little bit, I kind of, you know, operating in tech, like no one's evaluated or I would say innovated around organizational structure as much as tech has.

Like, you know, some people have one direct report.

Some people have 20, the span of control, no titles, titles, open floor, like however you're just controlling.

You can't control how people think these days.

It's much more around the environment.

And so it took a step back and said, OK, how do we want this environment to work?

And clearly, I didn't know a whole lot about hockey.

So we were fortunate that we had a great GM and Bill Armstrong that came over and

And then Chris Armstrong, who was actually a great friend.

Tony Finau was actually a golf agent working in an agency, but was a hockey guy.

And represented a lot of hockey guys.

And he was a big part of the idea.

So those two kind of worked together on the hockey side.

And Chris is a president, Bill is a GM.