Ryan Urban

So that's a good Friday.

We're we got to get a little loopy after this.

I got to take my green pants off and wave them around the office.

Um, but almost was before this.

So, um, yeah, it was, um, I had to leave.

Yeah.

Well, it, it wasn't, it wasn't deciding to leave.

It was, it was already pre-decided probably before I got there.

It was a matter of, Hey, was I going to get traction with, with bounce exchange or not?

Was I going to be able to pull the right co-founder or not?

I started working on it in probably 2010, but I was already in my 30s at that point.

So I know you only have like one or two good shots.

I wanted to take my time and really like test out different versions of the product, test out different revenue models.

Once I figured out what was going to work and had the right people, you really need someone good to go into battle with.

That was a mistake I made in my 20s where I was always pretty good at executing on things.

And the issue with that is you can take really bad ideas, which all my ideas then were and still probably are, but I can make a bad idea work for too long.

It wouldn't fail.

I'm like, oh, it's not going to fail.

I'll just make it work.

That's right.