Ryan Wolfe

yeah um yeah just just thought i would mention that just because you know we did take we did we did speak on that last time um you know so um you know and then obviously we've got the with the police officers so there um you know there are instances of violence that have extended beyond and that you know that ability to sort of snap um does she maintain any contact with ian by chance

Uh, she hadn't.

So, you know, one thing that happens, I end up being a connector of people that haven't spoken for a long time and so on.

And remember Debbie had thought that Ian was dead.

Um, so there had been no contact for a long time.

And then when I met with Ian, he said, Oh, I'd been trying to call Debbie over the years, but you know, the number, she must've deleted her number or something.

And then, so I've put them back in touch and recently Debbie went and saw Ian and they caught up and you know, they haven't done that for 20 years or something.

Um, so, you know,

Now they are back in touch, but now they haven't been since, you know, the early two thousands or whatever it was for a long time anyway.

So, uh, yeah, they are now.

Yeah, I mean, that's interesting.

And because you've got Debbie seeing the home life and then Ian seeing when he comes to work.

So you're pretty much encompassing a lot of it there.

I mean, I do know that, yeah, after Debbie's heard, you know, Ian's interview and she's sort of thought, oh, yeah, of course, and some things have triggered and she's like, oh, yeah, he's got a better memory of that than I have.

And, yeah, you know, sometimes too when she's trying to tell me, she's trying to remember something that perhaps Ian has told her, but, you know, a long time's passed, but when he remembers what actually happened, right?

So it's, yeah, yeah.

And I mean, probably would be a good exercise.

Yeah.

You know, especially now when they catch up and they chat more, you know, they may remember other details, you know, hopefully, or they may remember people, other people to speak to.

For sure.