Ryan Wolfe

You know, it's, it takes a lot of skill to be, you know, like there's honestly, there's a difference between knowing how to ride a horse and being a real horseman.

Those are two very different things.

Yeah, no, that was actually something I hadn't really heard.

So, yeah, I mean, that was kind of interesting and it paints a slightly different picture of a man that's

probably not necessarily around Derek Sam all the time.

He's really probably just more of a businessman running this place from an office.

Derek's the one that's out there teaching these kids how to break horses and ride.

And when you're talking about a situation where people are accusing Mark of potentially being involved with Derek and the two of them have colluded to do this stuff,

when you're painting it and when you're viewing that from the context that they're always together and they're always out there, you know, doing things that seems more believable.

But when you look at a situation where, well, really marks in Brisbane, like 95% of the time, Derek's out there, you start, it's, that starts to not really make so much sense.

Um,

Yeah, I think too, you know, they're not going to be maybe necessarily cowboys in the sense of what you're going to get in Texas, right?

But they are like – and that is like the lifestyle out there.

And some of these people are hard, hard people, you know.

Like when I met Dave and, you know, we went into that a while back, you know, like just that real cowboy mentality, you know, that wearing cowboy hats, that got boots on, that it's – you know, and it's that –

that hard kind of life.

Yeah.

And I mean, just, yeah, that's a good point, you know, just because they act a certain way that doesn't fit what we would consider to be, you know, normal, um, doesn't mean that, you know, it doesn't mean you need to read into it any more than that.

Um, you know, and Mark was, you know, heavily involved in horses and that sort of lifestyle.

So, um, you know, I guess he, he would have been that kind of hardened character for sure.