Ryan Wolfe

you know, if he's, if he has done this, then I guess that's what it is.

But yeah, he just said that some, it was a shock to him.

And I think, yeah, he was only 14 at the time and he was in Piven.

So, you know, very young and, and it's, you know, he would, Derek would have probably been impressionable on him.

You know, if Derek's the one teaching him to, to break horses and, and, and, you know, if you know horses as well, like,

it's an impressive thing when you can, when you're a real horseman or when you see a real horseman in action.

Um, and I've seen them before.

Like I grew up riding horses my whole life, but I wouldn't call myself a horseman, you know, a person that, you know, they can, you know, break a horse or just do anything with a horse.

It's impressive to say, and it requires all kinds of different skills.

Um, you know, horses, uh,

respond to confidence, you know, and that's, you know, someone who doesn't have confidence and, you know, is fearful and so on, you know, horses will react to that negatively.

So, yeah, it tells you a bit about his character, I think.

And yeah, and like you said, it makes him not just a thing.

It's like, okay, there is something here.

And it also, I suppose, tells you, okay, well, you know, a person who's clever and has these skills and isn't such a simpleton, perhaps they do have the skills to dispose of bodies in a way that they'll never be found.

You know, don't underestimate them because I think sometimes people perhaps do.

Yeah.

I said, sorry about that.

Yeah, no, but it is.

Yeah.