Ryder Strong

Cause I, I was getting increasingly uncomfortable with, with the deceit, even the harmless deceit that we were making up a different podcast that we were in town to promote.

Do you remember what you started throwing for the back?

I wanted to make you cave.

I said, yeah, I said, well, we, we, we were working on the theme song and the flight over.

You want to sing the theme song for, and you didn't bat an eye and did it.

You did it.

All right.

Well, as a reality show watcher, I've really only watched Survivor of shows in this vein.

And mostly I got into it because of the survival factor, which no longer is really... They don't even do on Survivor anymore.

And now Survivor has become... Yeah, it's mostly strategy.

They don't really focus on... Like, if you watch the early seasons, they really focused on...

You know, how do you build a fire?

That's what I saw.

Pretty much, as far as I understand it, the contestants are still dealing with that, but they don't focus on their coverage.

It's mostly people coming in and strategizing how to manipulate one another.

But even that one has much more of a physical component to it.

You know, there's a physical challenge thing.

Right.

The puzzles that they do.

Oh.