Sabrina Tavernisi

That is ultra processed. Okay. So everything in my grocery cart is ultra processed, even the yogurt. Pretty much.

That is ultra processed. Okay. So everything in my grocery cart is ultra processed, even the yogurt. Pretty much.

And Alice, what's the universe here? Like how much of our food is ultra-processed here in America?

And Alice, what's the universe here? Like how much of our food is ultra-processed here in America?

Okay, so here's my question for you. Most people, I think, would acknowledge that ultra-processed foods are kind of bad. Now, of course, you make the point that it's a huge category, but lots of what's in ultra-processed foods isn't really something that we think generally we should be putting a lot of into our bodies. But it's everywhere.

Okay, so here's my question for you. Most people, I think, would acknowledge that ultra-processed foods are kind of bad. Now, of course, you make the point that it's a huge category, but lots of what's in ultra-processed foods isn't really something that we think generally we should be putting a lot of into our bodies. But it's everywhere.

So why have these foods been allowed to proliferate like this? What is driving this kind of expansion of these foods?

So why have these foods been allowed to proliferate like this? What is driving this kind of expansion of these foods?

And what's hyperpalatable?

And what's hyperpalatable?

So tobacco companies kind of originally were the pioneers here, bringing us, it sounds like, highly addictive food, kind of like cigarettes.

So tobacco companies kind of originally were the pioneers here, bringing us, it sounds like, highly addictive food, kind of like cigarettes.

Alice, I bit into my ring ding.

Alice, I bit into my ring ding.

It is hyper palatable, like uber hyper. We'll be right back. So, Alice, what do you mean when you said it was harder than you'd think to prove that ultra-processed foods cause obesity and other health problems?

It is hyper palatable, like uber hyper. We'll be right back. So, Alice, what do you mean when you said it was harder than you'd think to prove that ultra-processed foods cause obesity and other health problems?

In other words, just because people are becoming more obese over time and as a result suffering from diseases like type 2 diabetes, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's the ultra-processed foods that's causing that obesity rise.

In other words, just because people are becoming more obese over time and as a result suffering from diseases like type 2 diabetes, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's the ultra-processed foods that's causing that obesity rise.

So, Alice, how do you isolate the driver of worse health then? How do you go about doing that?

So, Alice, how do you isolate the driver of worse health then? How do you go about doing that?