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One of the things that I like to do when I'm in Portofino is when you see these huge yachts in the bay, I like to figure out what they are. Okay. And so I use Google for like a vessel finder. And two of the top three links send me to spyware. And I think to myself every time, every year this happens,

One of the things that I like to do when I'm in Portofino is when you see these huge yachts in the bay, I like to figure out what they are. Okay. And so I use Google for like a vessel finder. And two of the top three links send me to spyware. And I think to myself every time, every year this happens,

How is it that in 2024, Google hasn't figured out how to click these links in a sandbox, isolate the ones that send you to spyware, and just take them out of the index? And of course, they can do it. They have 100,000 people and $2 trillion in market cap. So I think that there's just a level of... technical navel gazing at some level that I think besets every big company.

How is it that in 2024, Google hasn't figured out how to click these links in a sandbox, isolate the ones that send you to spyware, and just take them out of the index? And of course, they can do it. They have 100,000 people and $2 trillion in market cap. So I think that there's just a level of... technical navel gazing at some level that I think besets every big company.

And so there are other examples here that you can look at that are a lot less charged than politics. I think Freiburg is right that it's largely algorithmic, but I think David is right in that there is a quality problem. I think the solution here is that for certain extremely important moments,

And so there are other examples here that you can look at that are a lot less charged than politics. I think Freiburg is right that it's largely algorithmic, but I think David is right in that there is a quality problem. I think the solution here is that for certain extremely important moments,

There needs to be a little bit more intervention and there needs to be a little bit more curation so that it passes the smell test. I mean, the version of this that I also experimented with, and Nick, you can find the tweet that I had, was when I was searching for the assassination of Donald Trump on Google, it just didn't show up. It does show up now.

There needs to be a little bit more intervention and there needs to be a little bit more curation so that it passes the smell test. I mean, the version of this that I also experimented with, and Nick, you can find the tweet that I had, was when I was searching for the assassination of Donald Trump on Google, it just didn't show up. It does show up now.

So I think they got the message and they fixed it. So clearly somebody's listening. And I think clearly then the index changes. So I think that both things are possible, which is the algorithm can improve. And also that certain things before people start to complain loudly about this perceived bias, there should be enough intervention to make sure that the algorithmic results pass a smell test.

So I think they got the message and they fixed it. So clearly somebody's listening. And I think clearly then the index changes. So I think that both things are possible, which is the algorithm can improve. And also that certain things before people start to complain loudly about this perceived bias, there should be enough intervention to make sure that the algorithmic results pass a smell test.

And if they're not, to add some amount of reinforcement learning or something else, some human feedback that allows... that allows you to get to a good answer that's unbiased.

And if they're not, to add some amount of reinforcement learning or something else, some human feedback that allows... that allows you to get to a good answer that's unbiased.

Well, the judge, the judge already said yes.

Well, the judge, the judge already said yes.

So now if Apple created their own- I think, David, I think you're being too narrow. Hold on one second. You're being too narrow. The initial complaint in the Microsoft Internet Explorer thing that kicked off the whole DOJ thing versus the consent decree were two totally different things. I think that you're underestimating the scope of the remedy.

So now if Apple created their own- I think, David, I think you're being too narrow. Hold on one second. You're being too narrow. The initial complaint in the Microsoft Internet Explorer thing that kicked off the whole DOJ thing versus the consent decree were two totally different things. I think that you're underestimating the scope of the remedy.

No, no, no, no. I don't think that's a narrowing. Again, the big O outcome of breaking up the company, like what happened in Ma Bell. I don't think that's going to happen here. A little-o outcome that is a consent decree similar to the one that Microsoft had to sign is very likely.

No, no, no, no. I don't think that's a narrowing. Again, the big O outcome of breaking up the company, like what happened in Ma Bell. I don't think that's going to happen here. A little-o outcome that is a consent decree similar to the one that Microsoft had to sign is very likely.

But what I want you to understand is the way that that started, which was literally around Internet Explorer and bundling versus the consent decree, was meaningful orders of magnitude broader. So what I'm saying is this little-o outcome is going to be much bigger than the scope of this lawsuit. And if they don't, man, they have dodged an enormous bullet.

But what I want you to understand is the way that that started, which was literally around Internet Explorer and bundling versus the consent decree, was meaningful orders of magnitude broader. So what I'm saying is this little-o outcome is going to be much bigger than the scope of this lawsuit. And if they don't, man, they have dodged an enormous bullet.