Sally Hayden

The war is terrifying.

But one thing that a lot of people I knew in Beirut at that time, they were also talking about is how can we reassure our family members?

Even family members inside Lebanon would be messaging each other in different places, panicking, like, are you okay?

What's happening?

And

Yeah.

So you're trying to manage all these networks of people who like love you and are worried about you.

And that really, you know, that struck out to me that this is actually like, yeah, part of a war is taking care of those people you love, you know, just reassuring them as well.

Yeah, I mean, I think I refer to it in the book as a kind of detachment crisis.

And we have this situation now where I think globally, the latest Reuters Institute report, which is very well respected, found that about 40% of people sometimes or often don't read the news anymore or don't pay attention to it.

And yeah, that's obviously very concerning because like...

I think that it's I think it's dangerous because I think that things are being done in our names and they're being done.

You know, bad things happen when good people don't speak up.

And if people are detaching from what's happening, you know, that that allows those things to happen.

And I think that in one sense, it's like on us as journalists to try and figure out ways to make people happy.

you know, make people re-engage.

But I also think that, like, we do need to be aware that there's kind of systems that are set up to make people disengage, you know, even all the false information that's flying around.

And, you know, in my first book, I cover a lot how vulnerable people's voices are effectively silenced in many situations.

And, you know,

how people doing wrongdoing actually don't want certain stories to be heard.