Sally Hepworth

And suddenly I unclenched, you know, and that too is a really important thing to sort of letting go of the marriage that you do kind of have to understand that

when you're married, you work together as a team.

Of course you should.

And now I think we're much better at teamwork, but that was a bit of a process too, of just going, well, you know, we're not controlling, you know, we can't control each other anymore.

Maybe I look a lot too at my part, you know, I don't like that, that idea that, um,

you know, he's a narcissist, she's crazy.

Everyone thinks their ex is crazy or a narcissist.

I don't think that.

I see... He does.

No, yeah, he thinks I'm crazy.

I think that both of us made mistakes and...

And, and it was, especially in the early days, I was much more interested in finding out what I, what my part was, because that's the only part I can, comes back to control.

I can't control why he's doing stuff that I don't agree with or why, and it's not my business anymore.

Yeah.

Only in so far as it affects my children.

My role is to look at, at

me to heal and to hopefully not bring those difficulties into my life with my children.

I think that the... Let me step back.

I always wanted to be married.

You know, I remember that from a youngish age.