Sam

Can I start talking?

This is 911. It is. Can I help you? We've got three people shot and we've been robbed. Did they come into your home? They came into my grandma's. I'm at my grandma's. We're at 902 Hickory.

In 2020, a group of young women found themselves in an AI-fueled nightmare. Someone was posting photos. It was just me naked.

Did she leave him?

In 2020, a group of young women found themselves in an AI-fueled nightmare. Someone was posting photos. It was just me naked.

I just couldn't get that image out of my mind, just of how ugly our future children will be. Wait, wait, what? How ugly the AI fake children were? With that picture you showed me, it put fear in my mind that this is what my actual kid is going to look like, like monsters. Obviously, I'm not a mom. I don't have kids. But if I did, I would not be able to look at my daughter and tuck her into bed.

Oh, no.

Yeah.

I know that it's AI and that I just personally do not think that I would be able to live with the fact of that image in my mind saying this is what my kids are going to look like.

You didn't see these children like I did. These little monster children, they are ugly. Oh, no.

Did he show you the pictures? Did he show you the whole book? No.

I'd say the freakiest thing was my six-year-old son's creepy-looking smile. Oh.

I would be willing to go on another date if he just leaves AI out of it.

We can have a conversation.

I mean, I'm intrigued. I got a few secret talents of my own.

Okay, well, what do you want to talk about?

When you first showed me the book and we were looking through it, I initially thought it was creepy. And thinking about it days later, still creepy.

And, I mean, I appreciate that. But I didn't really know how to take it. So I went home and asked my girlfriends about it.

Um, their eyes got really big and they start saying things like, no way. Why are you dating Hannibal Lecter? Did you throw the book at him and run?

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My husband cheated on me with two women. He wants to stay together because he has cancer. Should I stay?

Well, John, that's because it's dump-up week, and this user writes, last week we had an attempted break-in. I asked my husband, who was supposed to be at his mom's, to come over and change the locks, but his mom told me he wasn't with her. And it took me less than an hour to find the first two women he was cheating on me with. Did she leave them?

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Well, John, that's because it's dump-up week, and this user writes, Last week, we had an attempted break-in. I asked my husband, who was supposed to be at his mom's, to come over and change locks. and his mom told me he wasn't with her. And it took me less than an hour to find the first two women he was cheating on me with.

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Right.

Deeply personal in a way we never could have anticipated.

Off kilter. There's a certain unsettling awareness that we can't shake. Like looking at a reflection that suddenly... Not you. Not quite right.

We did.

About everything.

It's a big one.

Yeah, rip the Band-Aid off.

I don't understand.

What happened?

Sometimes my genius is, it's almost frightening.

There was... It was like corned beef hash, potatoes, and then I believe you dumped a Guinness on it.

Yeah.

But yeah, like ever since then, anytime I can get potatoes and tacos, like there's like a couple of places. I mean, like Taco Bell does do that, but like there's like other places that like sell mashed potatoes and tacos and stuff like that. I always have to get it because I always think about it.

Yeah, for that one. Yeah, especially. Yeah, it's still provisional patents. So it's, you know, rest assured that's sitting on some government office somewhere waiting to get approved.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm lucky to have you guys to listen to because you guys are always on when I'm working on stuff. So I always save the podcast for when I have, like, you know, long days to get through orders.

So I transitioned when I was 33 years old. I started, and I'm going to be 39 next month. You look fantastic, by the way. Thank you.

You do.

Yes, in every single toy. And then my one partner wanted me to show you this. Oh! He made a Team Coco colored... Look at that! Aww!

Yeah, it was nice meeting you all.

Bye-bye.

I know. Well, that's kind of like one of the perks of like, you know, transitioning a little bit later is, you know, you look you always look a little bit younger, like when you're transitioning from female to male. But like for me, like for some people, like in their early 20s, like that's not so great. But like when you're in your 30s, you know, I'll take it. I'll look younger.

Hey, how are you there?

So pretty much I run my own business. I actually make adult toys.

I'm doing really good. How are you doing?

And I've actually been in the industry since 2008. But when I started transitioning, which I think was like 2019, I kind of noticed that there wasn't toys on the market that were super compatible with trans anatomy and the changes that your body goes through when you do that. Oh, that would be true.

Yeah. So I was like, hey, I've got these skills from working in the industry. Can I translate that into something that works good for, you know, for a variety of different body types? So and that's what I've been doing pretty much since then. It's mostly just been me, my designer who lives in Denmark.

And then just recently, one of my partners started helping me make toys like just, you know, to keep up on orders.

Yeah, exactly. And it was like, I mean, there was definitely stuff out there. And I swear I probably bought like one of everything just to see. And then it's taken, you know, it's taken a while, but like we've, like one of our toys took like four years to finally design. So it would be compatible.

I thought it was inspired.

And then another thing we completely came up with that nobody else has done is we came up with what's called a grindable thing. which is like halfway between like a sleeve and like a grind pad, which is something that like some people use, like cis women will generally use to like grind up against. So we kind of invented something that was halfway between that, me and my designer.

So one of the things like so our toys are cryptid themed. So they're they're basically like fantasy toys themed. So that was like what my old business did. So I kind of just kept going with that. But minor cryptid base.

Yeah, so they're based on monsters and folklore. We have a Mothman, we have Minotaur, we've got the Jersey Devil. We're trying to come up with more stuff.

I think you have a customer here. I'm going to show you. Yeah. So this is our Mothman. Oh, wait a minute. Yeah, so this is our medium. No, it's not. That's a medium? Yeah, we have two sizes smaller. What's the big deal? And two sizes bigger. Whoa. But yeah. And then these are all made of platinum cure medical grade silicone.

So these are not like the toys that you just buy like, you know, online that are just made of unknown materials, you know. Right. You want to make sure you're using medical grade. They're all medical grade safe. Yeah. Yeah.

So, yeah, we, you know, that, and then we, and then we make these, we can, I, like, one of the cool things that I can do is I can fade the silicone to, like, this is, this is, you start with one, it's one bucket and you fade all the way down to a different color.

I mean, like, I have a background in art too. So that's, that helps. It is beautiful. Art and comedy. So, I mean, you have to have a sense of humor to do this. Yeah. So, you know, all throughout high school, I did improv and theater and all of that. And then when I got out of high school, I was like, man, I really miss this.

So I ended up starting a we go to furry conventions, which is another way that we market because there's a big market for like.

So the furry fandom is just, like, a group of people that enjoy anthropomorphic animals. So we're talking stuff like, you know, as, you know, like Bugs Bunny all the way up to, like, Zootopia. Sure. Things like that. People just enjoy that. And for the most part, it's, you know, it's very just, like, family friendly. But there is a, like, a not safe for work kind of side of the fandom.

There's a not safe for work...

Yeah. Yeah. This work is not safe. I did hear those, uh, those, uh, someone was reading those fan. I think it was Sona had the fan fictions that, uh, yes. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, 100%. And the same goes for like the cryptozoology stuff. And that's why there's like a whole monster lover community, things like that.

Yeah. So I really missed doing improv specifically. So one year I asked a convention if I could host like an improv panel and we just called it Who's Lion? So it was like an animal pun on whose line is it anyway? Yeah.

It's really funny.

And we ended up, our first show had like 60 people. And what we ended up doing was we just kind of let the audience come up and participate. I would work and play the games. I was just basically running like, hey, we're playing this game now. And we've had up to... 500 people at one show. I mean, obviously not everybody can participate at that point when there's like that many people.

But we do try to get as many people up as possible to play in these games so we can just share. And everyone's dressed as animals.

not everybody uh so i would say like 10 of a furry convention actually like actually has like costumes um but then these are just people who are you know we're coming to hang out and we have like a common interest and uh they you know they want to come up on stage and you know have a good time and some of them are in suit um like i've done it in suit like when we do a charity version of who's lying i'll generally be in my fursuit and what's what's your fursuit

So my fursuit's an African wild dog. I've had like a bunch of different fursuits throughout the years, but my current one is an African wild dog.

Yes. Okay.

Yeah, the Moshman schlong.

What else you got?

Let's do a parade. Come on. Let's do a parade. So first of all, remember I talked about like the Grindable? Whoa. So this is like our invention. We actually have the provisional patent on these. We have two of them. Oh. We have the Serpent Interface and the Xeno Interface. That must have been a fun day at the patent office.

Well, thankfully, my business lawyer is a patent lawyer. And he's just like, he's so cool about it. He's like, whatever. And then, you know, another thing that we did was we actually ended up scaling it up. Oh, wow. So cis men could use it as like a masturbatory. Wait, is that just friction based or is it electronic? It's all silicone.

I've never seen you this involved in the engineering of anything. You use it like you would a fleshlight. You use it like you would a fleshlight.

And it's all textured on the inside and everything.

We want stuff that lasts a little bit longer than that, though.

Yeah. I mean, like we have microphones on stage. So one of the funny things about it is that like when you do have like a fursuit and you are on stage and especially like even if it's like a smaller crowd, like we still have to get the microphones on the on the fursuiters. Yeah. You know, normally I have no problem projecting, but even in suit, like I have issues with it.

Yeah, I try. I try to be. And my brother, whose whose name is also Matt, also loves has always loved you, too. He's about as tall as you, too. Oh, wow. OK. I would have been as tall as you if I had if I had if I had a Y chromosome. But I am a trans guy. Okay, okay. Which means that I started life as a girl, and when I was 33, I transitioned to being a guy.

So you have to like put the microphone like all the way in the fursuit mouth. So it's up against your mouth in the head. So it kind of just like looks like you're well. deep-throating a microphone when you're doing that. Well, I'd hate for something untoward to happen. Yeah. So, but yeah, no, we always have like a really good time.

Well, I mean, like I go through the airports all the time with these in my carry on. Right. Well, they don't because I want to have I want to make sure that they don't get lost because we've had like because we go to conventions to sell. And I've had like packages get lost.

Like there's in in in in in Boston specifically, there are two boxes of my toys that just never showed up to a convention in Boston that we were at. So those are just somewhere.

No, they got delivered to the hotel and someone signed for them, but nobody could find them. So I don't know where they are. So now we put air tags in all of our boxes.

It means a lot.

So it's done right here at my house. My entire basement is... finished and like it's a finished basement that we've like completely uh set up to do all the uh we have um we have seven 3d printers um we have um we have a couple of vacuum chambers uh you know because we have to take all the air out of the silicone before we pour it um so there's no bubbles in the toy um

And yeah, we just do everything here, like just locally, you know, and I get all my supplies locally.

No, silicone's not flammable.

All the dildos just raining from the sky.

Gloop?

Yeah. So one of the things that I always wondered is, do you ever wish that they still made the Otako podcast? At Taco Bell.

Yeah, you did a remote. It's one of my favorites.

Hayes.

Say another word, Adler, and I'll put a bolt through your fucking skull!

I feel bad because she's definitely mentally insane. She is mentally brainwashed. In my opinion. Does that not read like a fucking... You know what?

That to me, I'm like, oh, you're just insane.

Can I just say, I think he's being too much of a little fucking pussy white knight right now.

Sorry, Sam, but you know I have a thing for redheads.

No more.

I've been fucking holding that back for a while to where it's just like, he's like, you know what? She doesn't know, but I'm going to go up because I deserve to die. It is very white. It's like, just shut the fuck up.

Listen, I understand that's coming from a place of her, Kimber surviving is the actual goal. That's like, that's like, how do you know if you want, if she's the one who lives that, that's all that matters in his eyes right now. But at the same time, stop being such a fucking pussy. And then also just be like, I mean, dude, I don't know this whole white night thing.

Just shut the fuck up and let her go with you. Just get her with it. Cause it's been like forever now. It's like, I seriously don't even know what I do. You'd probably do heroin, dude. Probably, if I was a fucking gambling man. It's insulting, is honestly what it is.

I hate when characters, male or female, have verbiage or they say shit where it's just like, trust me, you'll be better off... This, like, I'm deciding how you feel. I'm making your decision. Yeah, I think that's fucked. Yeah. It would be different, too. There's a couple different things. It would be different if she was like, if she's like, well, yeah, I'll go with you if you need that closure.

And it wasn't her perpetuating the whole thing, too, right? This was Kimbers' idea. Yeah. He was gonna get high until he was dead back in Chicago. Or, let's say he's like, well... Sagen wir, es ist nur eine Enttäuschung und er sagt, dass er bei Heroin kaufen will, bevor sie meine Gehirn auslösen. Ja. Oder so etwas. Ja. Vielleicht ist er ein Junkie und geht weg.

Aber dieses ganze seltsame weiße Knüppel-Ding. Ich werde in meine alte Familie zu Hause gehen und diese Fotos auslösen. Ich bin so, oh, Alter. Extra. Es ist ein bisschen extra. Ja. Ist es nicht? Es ist ein bisschen extra. Sie sollte nach Hause kommen. Er ist so, die Feuerwehr sollte leuchtend bleiben. Er sollte einfach nur einen Zünder-Kick mit dem Arsch in den Gesicht machen.

Ich sagte, ich sagte, ich sage, hör auf, Alter, ich bin der Monster. of this show. You gotta stay pure of heart. See, now I'm doing the Sam to you. That was good. I got offended by that. I'm like, shut up. You actually got me pretty good with that one. With that one maneuver, I'm 100% on your side now. He needs to shut up.

Well, that's exactly what he's doing.

It was written well after, of course, by C.K. Walker. C.K.

Dann gibt es nur noch einen Ort, um zu gehen, hat sie gesagt.

That's kind of cringe. Now I'm picturing her in the white knight armor. It's like I'm picturing two completely knight in armor. Kimber, you have to get out of here. Now she's like... I knew you'd go to your mother's.

I'm not, I'm not. I knew you would go to your mother's. Even when you're high, you're not stupid enough to make a run at Boroska in the daylight. I'm not high.

I am doing the actions of what she's doing. All right. And I reeled back the voice. So it's, she shrugs.

I want to help Sam. I want a Baraska gone and those men dead.

Kimber sighed. It's clear that that's never gonna happen. I thought we might be able to get records, but I don't know how to find them. These fuckers are gonna die with their good names. But at least they'll die, right? Yes, they will die.

Mach nicht, dass wir nach dir kommen.

Oh ja, es ist so wie... Hey, er will... Hey. Und er will, dass er ein richtig gutes Zeit mit seinem Sohn verbracht.

Don't make us come in that crack den, Samuel. Yeah, that's excellent. You're going to fall right into our trap.

Yeah, I bet you're hungry for being in that crack den so long. Why don't you grab that nice big piece of cheese?

Samuel Walker, you were wanted suspect of the felony assault of Kyle Landy. If you will resist arrest, we may have to hurt you. The sheriff really wouldn't like that, so don't make our jobs more difficult.

Whatever, whatever, whatever.

Now, the bread is a semi-automatic gun, so you won't need to chamber every cartridge. Just point and shoot in succession. Right. You don't need to rack the slide because there's already a bullet in the firing chamber. Your left foot should be in front of your right, about shoulder length apart. Hold the gun with both hands. Okay, good. Now align the sights and fix it on the target.

Squeeze the trigger when you're ready.

Ich dachte, es war Will. Ich dachte nur, dass ich das ganze Ding abspielen kann. Wenn du das während des Edits sagst, sag einfach Sam.

Okay. Get low like I taught you and try to hit the birch tree again. I'm gonna get the SIG so I can show you how to use a rifle.

Auch Seth sagte Sam. Entschuldige, Sam. Entschuldige, Sam, aber ja.

Unless it's supposed to be that they took it while they're in the parking lot. Which is what I actually assume happened. I like to think that they did it out in the forest, but...

Well, I guess they have, but... Well, yes, because I think that she only has had them... Because he's been holding the... The Beretta. Yeah.

She might hate us, but we love her. The goat, right? But since the beginning of basically the show, I mean, we read Baraska Part 1 and 2. That was early. Early, early on into the show's history. And ever since then, for over a year, we have been getting people asking, when are they going to do Baraska 5? When are we going to do Baraska 5? And finally, since we are here in person, it felt weird.

Er ist so, ich brauche nur einen. Und wir gehen und er ist so, Dad, fuck you! Er macht so ein Gran Torino-Ding. Get off my lawn. Und er zieht es raus und dann fangen sie alle an zu schießen. Weißt du was ich meine? My grand scheme all along.

I had a pretty good hunch.

I'm just thinking of It. Isn't that the same Will and It?

Well, I'm wondering, that's why I was like, earlier when I was like, oh well, he had to wait until she was 18 to marry her. I was like, I feel like in this town, everybody's just in on it. So I feel like even if they went into a place that's local, they're just gonna be like... Maybe all the roads outside a local town are blocked.

There has not been a cartoonish firefight.

Who can sleep?

Yeah. More bullet resilient depending on what you get shot with. Nothing is really bulletproof, am I right?

Interesting. And how will I know what happened to you?

Unless you tell me an acceptable plan, unless I truly believe you can live through this without me, I'm going to follow you.

But I need to do this, Sam.

Don't you think you're being a selfish freak right now? My death isn't yours to decide. I've gotten this this far and I've been preparing for this for so long. You can't go without me.

Ja, aber sie haben das die ganze Zeit gespielt. Es wäre anders, wenn es nur einmal war. Es ist wie jeder, wenn sie in den Waffen kämpfen, haben sie alle nur kleine Knochenknife. Sie schlagen sich einander. Ich mag den Film. Ich sage nur, wirklich? Wort? Das ist fair. Sie nehmen Zitronen aus dem Boden. Sie sind wie... Yeah, I can see God.

And then they're like, there's not one guy who's like, yeah, I made a laser that can just shoot through your fucking armor. May die die chippy gender. Und Austin Butler macht noch die Office-Depression.

Eine meiner Lieblingsspieler war eine Interview mit Austin Butler, der seit Jahren in der Office-Rolle geblieben ist. Ich dachte mir, war er wirklich so tief drin? Mama, was machst du? Ich kann nicht stoppen. Wie klingt meine Stimme wirklich?

Die ganze Zeit, als ich den Film gesehen habe. Ich sehe nur wie der blöde, blöde Typ in Dune, der da fliegt.

Ich mag es, wenn er hochkommt. Und sogar dann, anstatt etwas zu tun, ist er einfach so, hey, tschüss, Bitch. Boom! Bläst seinen blöden Kopf aus. Sponsor. Er geht einfach hoch in seinen Nacken und ist so, er steckt sich einfach nicht rein. Er ist so.

I'm not talking about fucking Dune right now.

May thy knife keep me tender. I like a hoot for when Timothee Chalamet does show up though. He's just like, alright, Austin Butler. It's time for us to duel. And Florence Puth, if I win, you're gonna be my wife forever. Isn't that right, Christopher Walken? He's like, eh, I guess so. Is that what happened? Why does he bail on... You haven't seen Dune 2?

And that's like Middle East.

You know what's kind of crazy though? Not only are you right, but also the sandworms are kind of like camels.

Worth it. Ah, but what do you mean about Whitney's photos? Trust me, you're better off not knowing.

I'm losing my mind at him right now. I'm fighting demons right now.

Ich stimme dazu. Und ich gebe auch Punkte, weil sobald das Vorhinein-Ding passiert, war ich so, hier geht es.

Und sie haben es nicht gemacht, was auch schön ist. Und ich würde sagen... Wenn sie da gewesen wären, würde ich sagen, das ist sehr verwirrend, weil er die ganze Zeit sagt, das ist wie eine Schwester zu mir. Du bist wie meine Schwester. Ich glaube, ich bin wie meine Pops.

Now listen the fuck up, Samuel. This little charade of yours ends today. It appears you actually believe a woman and a drug addict could single-handedly dismantle a business this size, so you must be fucking stupid. And that makes me feel sorry for you. So why don't you just hand over the gun and go back to the ghetto you crawled out of. I push myself to my knees. No. Ich habe es ihm gesagt.

Ich mag es, wie du es auch gelesen hast. Nein.

Das ist das, mit dem wir reden. Nein? Bist du verrückt, mein Sohn? Du hast mein Haus zerbrochen, meine Tochter zerstört und meine Frau verletzt. Du bist glücklich, dass du noch leibst. Ich habe Kinder für weniger getötet.

Just gotta keep it together.

There's been like a faint smell brewing and all of a sudden you're like... And looking at him now, I didn't doubt it.

The sheriff swept out his arms mockingly. You know, we know you only have one round or two left because yesterday we heard you have 15 shots into the fucking trees. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Oder du könntest den Sinn benutzen, mit dem du geboren wurdest und nach Hause gehen. Hell, I even have dreaded drop off more heroin before you go there. You've run up quite a tab with the boy over the years.

Bit of a sore spot? Don't you ever say anything so filthy about your sister ever again! I will shove my gun under your ballistic vest and shoot you in the fucking gut!

The conversation is getting boring. This isn't a fucking Q&A. You had your chance to leave and instead you decided to stay discussing things about your sister. War ich falsch? Du sprachst über Dinge, über die du nichts weißt. Ich liebe Whitney. Du bist ein Monster. Gibt es da einen Weg, mit deinem Vater zu sprechen? Weißt du, ich denke, Greg muss dir ein bisschen mehr fucking Respekt erlernen.

Scheiße, ich weiß, was du zu Kimber getan hast. Oh, ja? Würdest du lieber jemanden haben, den du nicht kennst? Jemanden, der sie wie das geriatrische Fuck Cleary oder Prescott hier diskutiert hat?

Du siehst deinen Ton mit mir, Junge. Es ist schlecht genug, dass meine Männer hier sind, um zu sehen, was ein verrückter Lüfter mein eigener Sohn ist. Es ist verrückter Lüfter.

You were my dad.

No, Sammy, I'm a businessman. Always have been. Even back then. Why the fuck do you think we came to Dresking in the first place?

Hör einfach zu.

Ja.

I'm done.

This turn of events. Well, we said in the beginning it doesn't need to exist. No. Listen. And it doesn't. Well, we're almost done. Let's just power through.

Ham it up from here on in? I don't know how I could possibly take this seriously anymore. I say ham. Go full ham. I literally think after the alpha line, I just don't see how you could ever... Alright, so we're cartoon mode.

Yeah, that's pretty good. That's fucked up. That was a really great Shinji impression.

Are we getting punked? Did we click like a joke link or something? I just want to put the preface up again. Can I preface really quick?

And then they are outside smoking stogies acting like they're vaudeville like cartoon villains.

They... They... Well... The sheriff drew out the word. I heard you turned into a looker, but... I had yet to confirm it for myself.

That's fucked. That actually made me so uncomfortable.

You would fucking kill working for Crunchyroll, dude. If you worked for Funimation or Crunchyroll, you would fucking kill... If there's somebody out there making an anime, you gotta get this motherfucker in.

Oh mein Gott. Würdest du jetzt rein und einen unserer Mädchen verletzen?

Ich weiß nicht, wann ich das beurteilen soll. Ich war so von den Charakteren eingeschritten. Und ich wusste nicht, wo wir hier hin gehen. But this, like, we're almost done with the story. Or, like, there's four chapters left. I just... What do you get out of this? Like, out of Brosca 5, what do you actually get?

You know? I mean, like, legitimately, yes. Yeah. Because by this point, when this stuff was happening in the last story, it was so wretched and, like... You had Jimmy Prescott, who was also being kind of a sleazeball, but it was never... I don't... I don't know.

Now then, how about Phoebe Dranger? If I recall, she was raging to you in high school. Yeah, that word is 100% YouTube banned.

Is that not how it reads, you know? Oh, I guess Kimba the Star is more your type then, isn't she?

Look, this family reunion has been real sweet and all, but we've got investors coming to town today and a lot of fucking shit to do before they get here.

Do I look like I need to be fucking entertained right now? Did I tell my monkey to dance? No! I fucking didn't, so shut the fuck up, monkey.

End of chapter 16. Kimber's dead.

I absolutely believe that she's dead.

A hundred percent. I think that's legitimate and period.

Kimber. Er sagte zu ihm. Und wie kennst du Sam?

Jesus Christ, son. Enough theatrics. I didn't even act like this when your mother died.

I've killed a lot of people. Although I must say, I do regret that I'm not going to get a turn with her again. Usually I don't like redheads, but there's something about her. Like father, like son, I guess.

Like, I felt like it was like, it's become an occasion to where it feels weird to just do it over...

Neat. Sam and I were cellmates in prison. Seth. I was in for a super sexy felony. Computer crimes. Sam was in for... I swear to God, Seth. Harder stuff. Okay, good night all.

Richard just had an interesting idea. You're up for a real treat, Sam. Get him up!

We don't use it too much anymore on account of the noise, but how about we throw your girlfriend's body into the shiny gentleman and scatter her bone fragments all over the mountain?

That way she can be here at all times for all eternity. I bet she liked that.

Get off your fucking knees.

You know what your problem is, Sam? You're not man enough to take what you want. You're not strong enough to say, fuck what's polite, fuck the consequences, fuck the law.

This is also going on so long. Oh my gosh. This is going on so long.

Well, I'm really sorry to hear that. That's a pity. Looks like you're going to have to be broken like a horse. Kind of wish you'd left the Starro girl alive now.

He gets a fucking... Kill yourself.

Ja, ich würde sagen, es ist das Interjekt, das neue, komische Verliebtheit in die schweren Themen.

The sheriff asked and leveled his gun at my forehead. Why don't you pull that gun on me and find out?

God, I just wish you would have just kept reading the sun.

Ich würde sagen, das ist nur ein funner Weg, um mehr Backstory zu interagieren. Ja, er ist ein Junkie, aber auch, sie haben sich im Gefängnis getroffen. Es ist fast so, als wäre das ein Halbweg-Haus. Yeah. A little. I mean, it's not because they're renting it, but still. They're barely on their feet.

It does.

Imagine if that would have happened three chapters ago. And not during this whole escapade.

You're a victim of your own hubris. Kill yourself. William Shakespeare.

Holy fucking shit, kid, you did it.

Ich meine, ich denke, die Wunde ist wahrscheinlich fädel, aber, weißt du, lass das nicht von deinem Erfolg wegnehmen. Verdammt, ich werde dir sogar einen Wagen nennen.

Your daddy shot her with a .357, witch. Well, you know. He shot you too. It's a pretty fucking big bullet. She might actually fucking be bleeding, but she'll probably fucking be fine. You on the other hand?

So you talked all that shit and you weren't even armed? You had nothing on you? You sure you don't want to come work for me?

Oh yeah?

Are you fucking kidding me, you shit-eating donkey? What is this left? Are you fucking joking? You better be joking, because I'll put the bullet in your head that your daddy couldn't.

I'll just take those cameras down and break them like they weren't even there.

Yeah.

Drisking High, got it.

I'm working on it. The database is going to be locked down and secure as fuck, but like I said the other day, I'm pretty good at what I do.

Ich habe mich von meinem Körper entfernt. Fuck me. Es gibt hier einige ernsthafte Hitter. Ich kann nicht glauben, dass sie das auf einem Schulserver behalten. Wir sind fucking Assholes.

Hey, you okay, bro? Sam?

But how are you going to shoot anybody when you have one bullet and they know you're coming anyway?

And they know about the bulletproof vest? Making it absolutely worthless. Yeah.

I gave her a dubious look. What are you thinking? Hear me out. I'm gonna get shot either way, and that actually puts us at an advantage. Let them shoot me, and then, once they've forgotten about me, and they're not paying attention to me anymore, I'll shoot him. This is the most unnecessary flashback of all time.

Because for this to work, I'm gonna need you to step the shit... I'm gonna need you to streep the shit out of this.

Erinnere dich an den Tag, an dem ich mit dem Auto verschwunden bin? Warum würde er das nicht einfach sagen? Erinnere dich an den Tag, an dem ich mit dem Auto verschwunden bin?

Boroska 2.

This is the most autistic coded thing.

Why even bother putting up deterrents?

Ich denke, das ist der beste Plan, den wir haben.

Sam? She was shaking me.

Oh, I'm sorry. She was shaking me. I drifted off. Sam, wake up. Wake up! Chapter 19. Good afternoon, Mr. Walker. I'm sorry to wake you, but the detectives have been asking to interview you since yesterday. I'm afraid they're very insistent.

Women who never escaped this place.

Where am I? Drisking Regional. I'm Dr. Klava. And I've seen you're going to be speaking to two of the rudest men I've ever met. And I'm going to morphine... I'm going to up your morphine a smidge.

You'll be in a bit of pain if I do that. She walked over to the IV drip.

That's a name, and there's a lot of human beings on the planet. As for your survival, you owe that to a rather skilled surgeon on staff here.

Und er geht raus. Nach dem Trauma, den der erste gab, hoffe ich, dass sie ihn töten.

Oh my god. I want to cry for you, but still good for you, Sam. She smiled at me and pulled out onto the road. Honestly, I can't believe they discharged you from the hospital after only a few days. You got shot in the chest.

Ich will nicht, dass sie mit Explosiven zurückgehen und sagen, wir müssen diesen Ort zerstören. Nein. I don't think it'll literally be explosives. I think a gun. Oh, sure. I'm just saying that it doesn't matter. In my mind, I pictured the CSI Miami. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I know what you mean. She'll need another pair of slippers after that one. Yeah! I know what you're saying.

132.

The only thing they would tell me is that you were alive and that's only because I started throwing cutlery at them. I laughed. Well, I... Jesus Christ. That's the scariest thing from today. Holy shit. God damn. Shinji after he fucking destroys all of mankind.

Das war der erste Mal, dass mein Target tatsächlich in der Fläche war. Und hey, Glückwunsch, dass du einen Schuss genommen hast, du bist durch es gelebt und du hast es wie ein fucking Champ genommen.

I don't think that's where it's going.

Ich werde nicht so weit gehen, dass ich sage, dass es das Schlimmste ist, was wir je gelesen haben. Aber ich denke, es ist einfach... Es ist wie der verdammte Grund, warum wir es nicht so lange gelesen haben. Weil es ist so, wie... Der originelle Boroska-Rund ist so gut. Es braucht kein Sequel. Was gibt uns das wirklich? Was versucht es zu tun? Es versucht, die Charaktere zu schließen.

Und es ist auch... Ich wette, du verdammt irgendwas... People bitch and complain. It's like, well, wow.

So the people just get it. Quit doing that voice. They're just like, oh, they get it. Just get away with it and whatever. And it's still out there. And it's just this evil lurking. I'm upset by that because that's, you know, whatever. And I bet you anything. She's like, well, I could just have them like go and stop the whole thing. And, you know, and I bet you that's what it was. But man.

Well, the... Ich weiß nicht, die originale Baraska ist für mich, als wir sie gelesen haben, ist es ein sehr, sehr hartes Ende. Es ist sehr schmerzhaft, aber für mich war es wie die Schäden, die in der Welt flirten, die so aus deinem Kontrolle sind und dass du einfach ein Teil bist. Manchmal fühlst du dich in einem größeren Teil einer Situation und dann, wenn es um die Realität geht,

You're just as insignificant as every other person on earth. And like some things are just like born to be evil. And there's just evils in the world.

And that doesn't mean that it makes them right or like whatever, you know, that you should just turn a blind eye, but it was kind of harrowing in that way to where it's like, you know, what the fuck am I supposed to do about every other major conflict in the world? You know, you want to, you want to feel like you can support things, but sometimes you just have nothing you can do.

The majority of the time you have nothing you can do. So, um, Seeing this, it was very... The thing too is like... C.S. Walker... C.K. Walker? C.K. Walker. C.K. Walker... ist ein wunderschöner Schriftler.

Und du weißt, wir sind so... Der Grund, warum es so eine visuelle Reaktion gab, ist, weil du hast... Schau dir die Zusammenarbeit zwischen dem ersten Boroska, der diese Charaktere nimmt, und du weißt, es gibt so lustige Situationen, aber dann, wenn das Ende passiert, ist es sehr... Es ist wie ein Schuss in den Knie, und dann bist du einfach nur übrig, und das ist einfach...

Die Schmerzen, die dieser Ort ist. Es ist nicht so, dass es ein langweiliges Ding ist. Und ich habe wirklich nichts davon bekommen. Aus dem Sheriff zu sein, wie der Geschäftsmann hat Hancho. Es gibt so viele Dinge, wo es sich einfach in diesen Niveau des Käses befindet. Und es vollständig den Wind aus der seriösen Natur und der echten Schmerzen der ersten Boroska, in meiner Meinung.

There were some things while we were reading where it was like, I don't know, we're like, you know, it's Baraska, so we're going to let it slide just because we love the characters. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt, yeah. But then it gets to a certain point to where it's just like, It's just distracting with it.

And I think it's just more so, you know, there could be people who read this and they're like, I think that they're over exaggerating, whatever. But to me, I'm like, I feel like I was just so satisfied with the first story that reading this now, I just never needed a sequel. Never needed. No.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, even just the beginning, I remember I was, I didn't say anything, because once again, I know that I have a bad habit. I have a bad habit with being just negative in general when it comes to a lot of these stories, and I try to go in having fun with the audience and stuff, but as soon as he was like, I'm a heroin addict, and my prison partner, my prison... Ja, genau.

I also think that people... I think that people get very upset online when... I don't know, I feel like people think that maybe they feel cheated in a way. Or that because there's a subject matter that doesn't have a resolution that's positive, that it's glorifying or it's trying to be like... You know, that it's trying to get one over on the reader.

But I think sometimes letting things lie in this way of this hopeless nature, one is just extremely emotionally impactful, but... I just, I think sometimes stories can just be brutally blunt at the end and just end, you know? That's fine.

I love that movie. And it sticks, it sticks. I love that movie and it's legitimately one of the funniest endings of all time. The comedic beat to that. It's horrible. Yeah. It's horrible, but he's like... And then immediately that guy's just like, hey, pussy, stop crying. It's over. And he's like, oh, oh. And you're like, oh, god damn.

So I don't know. I mean, you know, I do think that there's probably an audience who, they feel nice that this has like a, it's over.

Yeah, and I think you're discrediting that the story itself can be something where the beauty and the humanity of your main characters that you love along the way, that's the adventure. And sometimes that adventure is cut short. And even in a way, even Kimber getting away to me was in the first run, one through four, was... Das Licht. Ja, genau. Und das Verzeihung und alles.

Die Sonne, die Sonne und die Räume. Sie ist die Exzeption, die auch die ständige Erinnerung an alle anderen, die anstrengend sind. Sie ist die Person, die glücklich genug war, um zu leben. Aber jedes Mal, wenn du über sie denkst, musst du dir vorstellen, dass nicht jeder so glücklich war. Und ich denke, das ist eine schreckliche, griechische Tragödie, die Ende einer Geschichte ist.

Und ich könnte völlig falsch sein. Ich bin nur riffig. Was zur Hölle weiß ich? Ich spreche nur von meinen Gefühlen.

Ich fühle mich, als ob das komplett von Leuten verurteilt wurde. Ich denke, es wurde von Leuten verurteilt, die sagten, wow, ich denke, die Leute haben das Ending wirklich nicht gefallen. Und ich fühle mich, dass ich das tun muss. Es fühlt sich an, als ob du ein glückliches Ending willst. Du siehst Kreativen das oft. Aber glücklich ist, dass das... This is the good takeaway from this.

There were still a lot of great moments in it with the characters that I enjoyed. It was nice just being back with Sam and Kimber again. That was nice. Kimber especially. But also, I think...

CK Walker, having the fucking balls to even end this thing the way that she did, the first and second time, regardless of what you think, the person made the executive decision, took time, wrote this, I think that's fucking cool. And also, if you don't like this, or maybe you love it, and if you didn't vibe with it, you do not have to have this extension.

Was ich als Schauspieler oder Schauspieler, als Schauspieler, als Schauspieler, als Schauspieler, als Schauspieler, als Schauspieler, als Schauspieler, als Schauspieler, als Schauspieler, It's the artist's right to just be like, I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I want with it. And get to explore that. And more people are gonna experience it in different ways.

The laughter and the frustration that came out of this was just...

die komischen Ebenen, die es zu dem Punkt ging, wo ich fühle, dass ich, ich fühle, dass ja, es gab Dinge, wo ich sagte, ja, es ist, was es ist, bis zu 15, 15, 15, und dann von da an, als er sagte, ich bin ein Alpha-Sam, war ich weg, ja, ich meine, die Alpha-Line war wirklich das Ding, wo ich war, wie das ist, wie das fucking, was es ist, okay, es ist eine Lüge, sorry für das, das ist, was ich denke, warum ich so verrückt und wie sarkastisch damit bin, weil die ganze Zeit, ich bin so, vielleicht finden sie Kyle in irgendeinem Weg, vielleicht, du weißt, sie werden diese Mädchen aus

I get feedback sometimes where, and I agree, is that I don't think my cartoonist voices help whenever it's like, well, I think it's unfair because you read it in a way, but The script in which I was reading, it was in like a southern, weird kind of like cartoonish... Yeah, read I'm an Alpha Sam with a straight face. Bad western villain. Yeah. Is what it was. I mean like, oi!

Or like... They literally said oi, or whatever. Yeah, I'm an Alpha Sam. And at what point, it's just like, it's just a bit cheesy. You know? And it is what it is. But at the same time, I'll say this. I'm happy we read it. So many... I cannot tell you the amount of people who are like, you have to read Braska 5. But...

Ich weiß es nicht, ich spekuliere es nicht. Ich weiß nur, dass es eine extrem beantragte Sache ist. Es ist ein integraler Teil.

Du magst die originelle Star Wars Trilogie, aber dann schaust du nicht die Prequels oder so etwas.

I think they're just blatantly ignoring it. As my final note, I'll say this is... C.K.Walker ist immer noch einer der unverzweifelten Götter dieses Kanals. Ich werde das nicht gegen sie halten. Ich glaube, viele der lustigen, lustigen Narrativen verbinden sich so gut mit den Kindergeschichten wie Mayhem Mountain, der original Boroska.

Sie schreibt Kinder in so einem erstaunlich lustigen, wie du weißt, es ist ein großer, blöder Welt und all diese verschiedenen traumatischen Erfahrungen.

You cannot be limited. You cannot be limited creatively by how people are going to react to your work. You have to simply create things and the way people react is how they react. And it doesn't diminish any of the other works. It doesn't do anything. It is just a piece of expression that you're putting out there. So use this as a fucking piece of motivation for anybody out there.

You're probably going to write stuff that people are just like not vibing with. That's fucking okay. Just make shit. Do things. You know what I mean? So much of my life, I'm too fucking handicapped to actually... kreativ machen und ich fühle mich, als ob ich etwas subpar mache, weil davon.

Und ich fühle mich manchmal, wenn ich einen mehr ehrgeizigen Ansatz finden könnte, wie Leute wie diese, die ich nicht weiß, ich habe es einfach, ich bin immer anwesend von diesen Dingen.

And I'm going to say my last, I think I've said it in my last piece three times, but I will say, this will still hold a special place in my heart, because it's a time when I got to be here on the set recording it with you, live in person, with of course the lovely Nick here as well, and I think that that within itself is... Enough to hold a nice little memory.

What else do you need? Guys, that's Creepcast for this week. We appreciate you and we'll see you in the next one. We love you all. Bye bye.

So, if anything, so if that's the case then, for people who don't know, spoilers from here, if you don't want to have the first part of the story, parts one through four spoiled, please go check out those episodes. Not only from us, but there's also like, I forgot, put up some other sources of people who have done like fucking radio plays of it. Like people have done like actual drama.

Yes. Because there are other people still suffering as we stand here arguing about this. We shouldn't have even waited this long to try to help them.

Sam, wenn ich versuche, das... Was mir passiert ist, werde ich sofort auf dem Radar aufstehen und tot werden.

Er wird nicht allein lassen. Die Frustration ist, dass ich Angst habe. Ich bin Angst vor dir. Partly himself. You're risking your own life with that too. Obviously he cares about Kimber here. He's like, please don't put me in a situation where I know you're going to go back because I can't do that and I don't want to have to experience that too. I mean, yeah, it's awesome.

Und mit so vielen Leuten in der Stadt, die da sind, das ist auch, das ist auch, wie ich denke, wie das Longevity ist, nicht nur etwas, das komplett... Also ich bin bereit, ich bin bereit, zu sagen, ja, sie müssen es selbst machen. For the sake of the story, yes. I'm willing to buy that. And also, I don't want anybody else to do it besides them. At this point.

Because when they do it, it's going to have an actual sense of justice. Kimber was kept there for a while.

There's a lot of great stuff.

Alright, Missouri is kind of cool.

One of the Sprouse Brothers, right?

Sam, I won't let anything happen to you.

I hear it's amazing. But there's also, there's so many people. There's so many fucking stupid jokes in ours. If you want like an actual telling of the story, it's a great story. So many. We'll put some references here to go check out some other great stories. But for so spoilers, spoils, spoils.

Look, tomorrow, let's just get in the car and go. And I'll have the entire eight-hour drive to convince you that I have a good plan. What is the rush, Kimber? Trying to be dead by Christmas? Just trust me. I'll explain everything in the car tomorrow. You know it's already midnight. Yeah, I know. I've been driving all day. I'm tired as hell.

Oh, come on, man. I hear you talk about it in your sleep all the time. You say all sorts of fucked up stuff. That's why I've heard your friend's name before.

Jetzt, dass die Späne da sind, als Rekapitulierung für die Leute, die einfach in das Ganze kommen oder einfach einen Refresher brauchen, weil es so lange gedauert hat. Isaiah, erzähl uns, was von 1-4 passiert ist.

Oh, one more thing. If you need anything while you're back home, just call me.

Yeah, I mean, completely tormented. Which, if it wasn't already prevalent, but I think that, you know... It's nice seeing a character like Seth being here where, yeah, he knows he's a heroin junkie, but he hears the stuff that he's having night terrors about and he's probably like, well, yeah, I mean.

Yeah, not that he condones it, but I think he's more just like, the guy's been through a lot. Yeah, what am I gonna do, right?

You remember where... I tell you what, Sam is making it hard for you to read through these.

Die Polizisten haben mich fast sofort aufgehoben und mich in ein Halbweghaus gesetzt. Tut mir leid über euer Auto, übrigens.

Entschuldige. Auf jeden Fall, das Halbweghaus hat versucht, mich zu identifizieren, also musste ich auch von dort weglaufen. Und dann habe ich einen Job bekommen. Südkalifornien ist ein guter Ort, um zu leben, wenn du kein ID hast, übrigens.

After that I went to community college and yeah, I've just been sort of biding my time.

It's just, you know, god damn, like the last time, it's like we had... Ich meine, wie die Katzen aus der Tasche.

Aber jedes Mal fühlt es sich an, als ob er es sagt und er schaut direkt auf die Kamera. Es ist wie. Mit, wie du gesagt hast, ist Boroska ein Meme geworden.

No. Him I want dead.

And I want to say that that time jump, though... That first section, building up, Will's new in town, Dad's the sheriff in town at this time. But the way that they build this up in the first part, it's not short. It takes its time and it hits all of the classic tropes that a creepypasta does of building up this kind of monster, the skin man.

Ja. Also, was ist dein Plan? Na, zuerst werden wir einen Raum außerhalb der Stadt besuchen. Erinnerst du dich an das Motel auf Exit 113? Prinz Ringe Inn oder so? Außerhalb der Stadt. Ich mag es. Und dann werde ich morgen irgendwann meinen Kontakt treffen. Right. And then we just go from there.

Our contact will give us more direction.

Yeah. Do I know this guy? I didn't say it was a guy, and it doesn't matter.

Because this person has told me stuff that can only mean that they are on our side. Just give me a second, dude. I'm fucking... I'm a fucking... I'm a fucking... I'm seriously so dumb. Because this person has told us... Because this person has told me stuff that can only mean they are on our side.

That's quick. I'm so fucking dyslexic. It's unbelievable, man. Are you diagnosed dyslexic? Hell no. Self-diagnosed. How else could it be? I'm like, why can't I say this?

Because this person has told me stuff that can only mean they're on our side.

I don't know, we're on three. Yeah, like what? Like the sheriff's schedule.

Ja, er ist... er ist immer noch Sheriff in Drisking. Ich hätte das nicht gewusst. Okay, was noch? Okay, naja, sie haben mir auch gesagt, dass sie nicht wissen, wo alle Rekorde sind. Welche Rekorde? Weißt du, all die Daten für die Brossk-Operation. Die inkriminierenden Sachen. Okay. Und, naja, sie haben mir über Kyle gesagt. Ja? Ja.

You're wrong.

My source told me he's just sedated.

You have the triple tree, all this kind of... The world building is so concise and then it does a nice... Ja.

Well, yes.

There's two people. Yeah, so I think they should do it. Right? Unless she's doing it because she thinks that the contact she has will get more people involved to do whatever.

Das ist exzessiv, würde ich sagen.

Das sieht so aus, als ob ich nach Kyla bin. I'm actually a little scared of you right now. I want all of this to end. I want Kyle back, yes. And it's true why I showed up so suddenly. But I want more than that, Sam. I want him dead.

Sold his sister.

I fucking hate the excuse of like, well, if I didn't do that, they were going to kill us. I'd be like, then just let them kill us. Then let them kill us, yeah.

Ja, ich weiß. Aber hier ist die verdammte Unterschiede zwischen dem. Ich weiß, dass Leute das sagen, weil sie sagen, was soll der Vater tun? Weil ich weiß, dass Tommy Taffy im Grunde genommen Superman ist und du kannst ihn nicht töten. Oder was auch immer. Warte, warte.

In this case of, there's just, I don't know. So that horrible, I just, there's no way.

Das ist Carly Beth von Haunted Mask. Interessant. Das sieht ein bisschen aus wie Tommy Taffey.

It's taken me a few years. Lots of traveling around the southwest to gun shows and stuff.

Ich habe dich manipuliert. Du kennst mich nicht mehr. Du solltest nicht hier sein.

Basically like, yeah, he's like, Dad, this is happening. He's like, yeah, I know, I sold your sister.

I fully believed it was.

There could be something. But if you knew about it and it's been this long... There isn't. His dad's 100% culpable, but there is a little piece he's trying to hold on to. The biggest thing so far that I feel like it's setting up that is making my stomach fucking turn is I have a feeling that Sam is going to have a hard time pulling through and fucking over his dad.

And I think that's going to start a domino reaction that's going to fuck over other people.

I believe that he could be sedated and that they are keeping him sedated because they don't want him to tell anybody and he's just perpetually a vegetable. But I do think that it would be a bit of a disservice to how fucked up he got at the end to just have him be okay. Not that I want him to be a vegetable, but I just mean he got...

I wouldn't even be surprised if this turned into like, we're going to kill the whole fucking town.

Ja. In dem Mobilitätsscooter. Ich bin so, was ist los?

I mean like to an extent, obviously I'm sure there's innocent bystanders. But like when Sam... What you said at first. When Sam worked at the coffee shop and it's like, yeah, the woman who's like, oh, I want to have a kid. And you feel bad for her and it turns out, oh no, you're like, you know about this whole thing too.

Ich möchte auch noch etwas sagen. Sie sind wahrscheinlich in der Mitte der 20er Jahre.

209.

Fratolis? Christines? They're both only a few miles away. Uh, no. Prescott-Artenison-Sandwiches, then? She winked at me. Remember when you worked there with that fucking monster? I would be like, Ich habe auch vergessen, dass es kein Kaffeeshop war. Ich dachte, dass es ein Kaffeeshop war, aber es war ein Sandwich-Platz. Ja, es war ein Sandwich-Platz, weil das unser Betten war.

Und Jimmy Prescott, seine Frau, arbeitete dort. Nein, er arbeitete dort.

Kyle's in the back look like Hector Salamanca.

Impregnating them. In a very trimming the fat and just getting straight to the point. Feels

End of Chapter 4.

Because I'm wondering if she isn't telling him because she's like, I'm gonna meet up with him, blah, blah, blah. And then she doesn't want him to get involved.

psychotisch und es ist, aber sie haben es bezeichnet als die Brüderstäbe, die Brüderstäbe und es sind die Bürgermeister da, es ist die Bildung dieser Geschichte ist so verrückt, weil es Menschen gibt, wie die Frau in der Café, die Will arbeitet und sie ist alle verärgert und sie ist so, oh, ich bekomme mein Kind heute und es scheint, dass basically Kimber und Kyle und andere Kinder in der Stadt sind basically Inzest in Breite, jeder Kind, der mit einem K beginnt, ich denke, es ist von dem gleichen Vater, ja, ja,

Let's quit this. The person who was at the Prescott sandwiches was the husband of that.

But what I'm getting at though is I could have swore that he was kind of fucking bummed on the adoption.

Kapitel 5. Ich habe Kimber 34 Mal in 5 Minuten angerufen.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Sam. I had to. He wasn't going to meet me otherwise. Where are you? I'm in the car. I'm almost back.

I thought it was weird too. There's more. I'll tell you when I get there.

Der Sheriff und die meisten seiner Deputies sind heute engagiert. Was ich gesagt habe, bedeutet, dass sie auf Baraska sind. Okay, und? Und das bedeutet, dass A, sie wissen nicht, dass wir hier sind, und B, wir können in die Stadt gehen und diskret schauen.

Timber stood up. I want them dead, Sam. More than anything. But you know what else I want? I want their crimes to be known by the whole world. They don't get to die with their good names. They don't get to be martyrs.

Yeah, why would you write that down? What fucking person is just like, okay, and... Five little girls captured today.

So it's like just a sadistic, weird, inbred town of people. And it's just, it kind of hits you with a fucking freight train.

Cross my T's and dot my I's and that's the way we do it here in Drisking.

We bagged bread and we sent flowers to... We raped women today.

Just so I can stamp and document it. In our computer. It's the same paper they just keep restamping. Just wanted to remind myself that I did that yesterday. Okay, good. I'm reminded. I mean, from a technical, I guess it's like bloodline of keeping track of who's what.

Exactly. And the emotional tie-ins between everything is so wonderful. And it's weird to say it now, because it's probably, arguably, the most... Das ist der größte Meme auf dem Kanal. Ich meine, das ist wie ein Meme.

Ich dachte mehr, vielleicht finden wir, wo die Clary-Haus ist und, wie gesagt, die Informationen aus Grace Clary finden.« Ich rührte meine Augen an sie.

Eine alte Frau, die geholfen hat, zu rauben, zu zerstören und hunderten von Frauen zu töten, über 50 Jahre lang. Fuck yeah, ich will diese alte Frau zerstören. Okay, okay. Guck, ich weiß vielleicht jemanden, der vielleicht... Es wäre so zufrieden, wenn du einfach zu dieser alten Bitch gehörst und sagst, sie sagt Hallo! Und du einfach so... Ja, ich weiß. Du schmierst sie aus.

Was, wenn sie es in den Knie zerstört hat, wie ein Champ? Ich habe nur auf dich geschaut.

You're like... Or you have a club, you're like... She's like... No.

Sie schlägt mich auf und rippt mich in die Hälfte. Die Wunde riecht über ihrem Kopf. Willkommen im Jakku. Wir haben viele Spiele. Wir haben alles, was du willst.

Slash, slash, yeah. Anyways, yeah. But anyways, no, I would love to beat the shit out of the old woman.

She is a demonic old woman.

It's good for business.

Ich würde sagen, für diese alte Frau, ich würde es lieben, wenn Kimber einfach eine fucking Speer hatte, wie Leonidas am Ende von 300, als er sie auf Xerxes schießt. Und er sie einfach zu ihrer Wand empalte. Sie war so, ah!

Everything looks like shit. They don't even have Christmas lights up. It's bizarre.

Ja, ich denke, dass die Infamie auf diesem Kanal ist die Wort Boroska.

I'm guessing, I'm wondering if there just hasn't been enough like, I'm wondering why the snows aren't plowed and they're like, oh yeah, things are closed down. They obviously don't have enough manpower to maybe clear the roads. Like, I wonder what's going on. There's just, we haven't gotten a reveal yet, what's going on.

Okay, warte.

Also war sie nicht als Teil von Boroska verabschiedet, wie wir feststellen. Nein, ich denke, dass sie herausgefunden hat, dass sie... Sie hat ihnen gesagt, dass sie Boroska verabschiedet hat.

Ich dachte, das war ihr Mann, oder?

Or like a Boroska moment. Which of course, that isn't just from us. It's a long-standing thing.

War sie jung? Ich dachte, sie war wie eine ältere Frau, wie eine süße ältere Frau. Sie war wie ein Büroleiter oder so.

And also, there's actually no healthy children. It's like all weird inbred stuff, and it's like five men oder was auch immer in der Stadt fliegt, um dieses Ding zu machen, bis jetzt die Stadt keine künftigen Ressourcen hat. Es gibt keine Familien, die eigentlich nichts machen können. Es ist also im Grunde nur ein fehlender... Es ist ein fehlender Menschenrechtsstaat.

Ja, das ist der einzige fehlende Menschenrechtsstaat. Das ist der einzige wichtige. Und alle ihre Arbeiten gehen nach außen.

Damn.

And even if it isn't from that, it's so crazy knowing the context of that now. Because it's just such a, you know, people are like, I don't know what the fuck that is. And you can keep scrolling, but if you know. Ich erinnere mich an unsere ersten Leser und Zuschauer und all diese Sachen. Ein sehr schreckliches Ende.

I got you. Because now Kimber's hair flies... I mean, they're just... You blew your... All of the cover is blown. Yeah, and even he's just like, oh, get the sheriff, his son's back. I know exactly who that is. Yeah, there's not many people it could be. Which, once again, I understand where he's coming from, but... Should have kept his cool.

If you would have kept your cool for like a week, you could have killed that one. You could have got everyone here killed. Yeah, you could have just walked in, beat her to death with a fucking bat, beat him to death with a bat. Hey, we're getting out of here, kid.

Was eine echte Weltkriege ist, die furchtbar ist. Und ich wollte sagen, weil ich nicht weiß, wo dieser geht. Ja. I'm just gonna throw a fucking trigger warning at this time. Yeah, yeah. So that way, I don't, I've never read, I have no idea. We go blind with everyone else on these.

So they're going to the fucking mine right now.

No.

You fucking junkie piece of shit.

Keine Ahnung. Und es gab eine Sache. Es gab einen langen Zeitraum, wo wir... Weil Part 5 wurde geschrieben...

You cannot have a junkie for something this... No, I'm wondering how much more it's going to fuck them over with him having those habits.

I think the beds and stuff being gone, I bet you as soon as they left, they were like, we're going to relocate.

So, Chapter 7.

You don't fucking get it. If Boroska is gone, then that means my source lied. He lied. Not just about Boroska, but about everything.

It was something that was, there was some distance between it, to where we were like, it's also just one of those things where it's so good that, do you read the sequel? Like, do you read the add-on?

Hope that he was right about everything.

It doesn't matter anymore.

I trust you, Sam, I do. I knew you would never intentionally hurt me. But you have completely given up on everything. Your life, yourself and on me. You're irrational and unpredictable. If it was just my life at risk, I would tell you everything he told me.

He said he had seen some medical records and that he could get them for me. Medical information for some of the Boroska-born babies in town and my mom and Kyle.

You don't need to read this, but it's been enough time now to where, just out of curiosity, it comes up so much to where,

Was ich auch vorhin gesagt habe, war, dass ich mich gefragt habe, wie der Drogen, also er, der so ein Junkie ist, mehr verletzt wird. Sie gehen zurück, das ist ihre Chance, sich rauszuholen und einfach zu verlassen. Ja. Unbeschädigt. Er geht zurück, weil er sie reichlich verletzt.

Boroska V. And a giant neon sign. Why do you need to read it? Because it's there. So, I mean, without further ado, 20 chapters, ladies and gentlemen. Buckle up, this is going to be a long one. Me and you till the end of the ride.

But I did. I think you probably dreamt it, Sam. What? I snapped my head up. You fucking drifted off again. I'm sick of this shit from you. Your fucking addiction has turned you into a different person.

I'm talking about the heroin. You're killing yourself, Sam. You look like a ghost already.

Fuck off, Sam. Das ist nicht mehr über Drogen. Ich kann dich nicht verlassen. Du machst dich eine fucking Verleihung. Nachdenken, ausgehen, nicht alle in Kontrolle von dir. Immer eine fucking Lösung brauchen. Und du bist mean. Vicious sogar. Verrückter. You forget things happened hours or even minutes before. I needed you here, Sam. And you fucking let me down.

So you come with me and put my life in danger every chance you get? Just forget it. This is all for nothing anyway. They know we're here. They haven't even attempted to stop us because they know how powerless we are. We can't do anything because there's nothing left to expose. We got outsmarted. I heard the mill last night. They just moved it, is all. You didn't hear anything. You're unconscious.

I know what I heard. You don't know shit. You're too high to even realize where we are half the time. That's bullshit. You haven't been sober in days. Maybe weeks, maybe even years.

Es war es, war es nicht? Was?

We've read Mayhem Mountain, Mayhem Mountain during the live tour. And that was a lot of fun. Just extremely imaginative. Just anything you pick up from her, it's just going to be gold.

Ich weiß nicht, wo Kyle ist und ich lebe immer noch mit dem Schmerz. Also wusste ich, dass ich nie all das kämpfen könnte. I wanted to hug him so badly, but I knew she wouldn't want it. But you could have. That's the worst thing. You could have. I brought you out here to do what I can't. Expose them. Kill them. Help all those women. We left here nine years ago. I'm too weak to do it. Too broken.

The only person I could have helped was Kyle. I thought you could handle everything else. Kimber let out a spiteful laugh. It sounds so fucking stupid now.

There is a meme on this channel about traumatizing events. And usually it always circles back to one word. Boroska. Boroska. My friends, we here today are finally venturing down the final road of Boroska. Part 5. Now here's the thing. We've done all four before, but what people don't know is that Part 5 itself contained has 20 chapters. This is a behemoth of a story.

Er ist ein Junkie. Er ist unabhängig. Ja. Ich würde auch sagen, dass sie einfach so war, als ob sie gesagt hätte, ich wollte, dass du hierher kommst und all das umgibst, weil ich nicht stark genug bin. Das ist wie ein unmögliches Herausforderung auch. Ja. Wobei sie beide, glaube ich, ein bisschen große Verletzungen hatten, was tatsächlich passieren wird. Wo sie sagt, nein, es geht nicht darum.

Ich will Menschen helfen und versuchen, ihn zu bewegen. Also du sollst... You should do it. I'm getting fucking high. Yeah. You know, which, you know, she probably was thinking, oh, well, I'll have Sam and he can help me. But she probably didn't realize, you know, when she was daydreaming about this, that how much of a fucking junkie he was going to become.

I think it's just legitimately them burning, they're getting rid of all of the evidence. Weil auch die Kinder in der Triple Tree, wenn ich recht habe, da war Sachen drin, wo sie sagten, oh ja, wir kommen hierher und die Kinder schreiben Dinge.

Nein.

I think this is probably the worst time for an intervention.

I bet you meth could help in a fight.

I think you're just going to sit there though and heroin, you're just going to be like...

Nein. Ich denke, du wirst einfach verdammt verdammt. Ich denke, wenn du einfach eine Krack-Pipe hast... Ich habe nie... Ich bin entdeckbar! Du denkst, eine Krack-Pipe hilft dir? Du wirst auf den Körper schlagen und schon die Brille rausziehen.

Das beeinflusst mich nicht. Ich bin Superman. Ja.

Es ist sehr erfreulich in einer dieser Geschichten, nach einigen Dingen, die wir letztens gelesen haben, wo es um legitime Freundschaft geht.

Ja, und ich denke, dass das etwas ist, was wir in diesen Geschichten nicht oft sehen.

No, he already knew. It's no secret, I guess.

Why is he coming here? Because he wants to know what the holdup is.

From you, actually.

She glanced out the window and crossed her arms. I'm sorry, we never were. He's offering something different. And he's here.

I said Jimmy Prescott. And you said no because he owns the sub shop or whatever.

Jimmy Prescott ist der Sohn oder Großvater des verrückten Arschlochens, der das Ganze angefangen hat.

Das ist er. Ich dachte, das war Clary.

Hold on. Yeah. I mean, he's the monster. He's like, was doing that. You're right. Cause here's the quote. You wouldn't believe how much money is in the industry. I mean, my dad was a smart man and he knew we didn't have anything of value to sell him back then. So yeah, he's the one who pretty much enterprised it.

Scheiße, schau dir das an. Fucking Sam Walker. Wusste du, dass du genau wie dein Vater siehst? Bro.

You wanna get a bite to eat? It's like that casual.

Oh, don't be mad at her, Walker. She was just conducting business. You want something? I want something. It doesn't need to be personal. Right, sweetheart? I'm getting upset.

Jimmy asked, sitting down on the sofa by the door. I'm not leaving you alone with him, she told Jimmy.

Settle down, Prince Charming. She's fine. We've been trying out some non-lethal stuff at the stables.

Du merkst, wie schwierig es ist, einen 6,3 Meter langen Jungen aus dem Kühlschrank und in den Hall zu bringen.

She played her part. I'm done with her now. But I'm willing to fulfill my end of the bargain with you.

Because Killian gave the orders to send Walker's daughter to meet the shiny gentleman.

Ist das eine Waffe? Ja, meine ist mehr wie eine Bärwaffe. Ich dachte, du hättest einen Scheißklo.

Diese Stadt ist ein Scheiß. Weißes Trash, schmutziges Schatten, was es früher war. Als Walker es übernommen hat, hat er das ganze Geschäftsmodell verändert. Wir mussten ein Service bieten. It was fucked up the way we did it. I'll admit that. But in the end, people got to live in a rich town, raise families like they did before the water got all fucked.

Driskin was a nice little place people could be proud of. Even you had to admit it. Driskin was a facade. None of that was real. It was real to them, to your teachers, your friends, even Mira and Owen Grady. Jimmy Prescott was off his rocker. I felt like my skull was going to crack from the audacity of it all. Working with Jimmy Prescott was the definition of suicidal insanity.

Anyway, kids, so yeah. Your dad comes in, big dick on campus, and he flips the whole system on his head. Suddenly we're running a sex trade operation. The higher-ups are happy because now they get girls and more money than before.

Walker really don't care about money as long as they keep supporting him so every dollar we make from the stables goes right into the pockets of the upper echelons, right? Echelons. Echelons. He got this guy. I hate this guy.

It was a family operation. It's like some sadistic workaround that he's doing where he's like, well, yeah, what you did was kind of weird and messed up. It was a little messed up, but people had families. Our town was rich and it supported the town. Yeah. But now we're getting money. Now we're paying other people's pockets.

I think he should die. I just don't trust anything he's saying either. Absolutely not. I'm not sure he's telling some truth, but I feel like he's leading something. I think he is right.

Yeah. He left you more drugs. Should you get pay him when you had the money. You know, he must be the sweetest, most generous drug dealer in all of Chicago. Where is it? You were sleeping like a baby in the tub, so I just left it next to you. Cool. In the toilet. Dude. Look man, if you die, I don't get half of the rent. And if I don't get your half of the rent, I have to get a real job?

I don't believe that. He could have had you killed already, spouting off in town like you did about stolen babies. He's left you alone out here, hasn't he? He knows you're here. The whole sheriff's office does. But they prohibit it from moving on you. On his orders. Das macht keinen Sinn. Ich meine, warum? Keine Ahnung. Ich denke, es ist wahrscheinlich nur ein Spiel.

Du spielst nicht, bis du über die Stadtbremse kommst. Es ist eine Sache, dass du mit den Kindern leckere Spiele spielst. Es ist schrecklich, wenn du mich fragst.

You're his only son and all that. I think we both know that's bullshit. Jimmy raised an eyebrow at me. Holy shit, Walker. I'm impressed you knew about that kid. I don't even think he knows about his bastard.

Kid, I don't want to be in charge. I don't want to do the paperwork or give shit about the money is handled or whatever it goes. You could do that, though. I say we take down the sheriff and install you as the big dick on campus. Pussy for miles, son. Oh, my God. And you can't be getting a lot these days after walking around like you do. Oh, my God.

Er ist so inhuman.

Es sind Boroska-Dinge, die Boroska-Dinge machen.

What part did you tell her? I promised I'd tell her where her boyfriend was. And I told her she'd have a shot at killing a rapist.

You tell the sheriff. I'm coming for him. Oh wow, so it was his dad who did it. It was his dad.

It's just business, not personal.

I can't wait to see what you cook up. Just remember, I need him dead, not incapacitated.

Oh, and the sheriff always wears a bulletproof vest. Always. Probably when he's fucking his wife.

Are you gonna get high again after all that? I think he's contacting Seth. I hope so. I think he's contacting Seth to be like, I need you to get some info.

Yeah, but was it worth it? Did he give you any good information?

So, what's the plan?

Ja, ich glaube, ich bin klüger, als ich sehe. Das ist nicht, was ich meine. Du bist anders, wenn du, weißt du, ohne Drogen bist du schuldig, strategisch. Das wird alle Unterschiede am Ende machen.

Sam, I can handle this. I got this far, didn't I? Kimber, you know what that man's done.

Liar. Fine. Then I need to tell you that before we kill Jimmy, I want to tell us where they're keeping Kyle.

Jimmy hat dir das erzählt? Ja, er sagt, er ist entweder in einem Haus oder einem Krankenhaus oder einem Krankenhaus oder etwas. Vielleicht nicht mal in Drisking. Prescott würde es mir nicht sagen, aber ich weiß, dass er es weiß und er versagt, mir zu sagen, ob wir den Sheriff töten können. Ich assume, du planst, Jimmy auch zu töten. Und ich will wissen, wo Kyle ist, bevor du es tust.

Also, she's gonna see him, Will now, who's a heroin junkie.

We need to do a lot of prep tomorrow. Figure out how many guns we can carry and how much ammunition we can fit in our pockets. Reloading takes time when you aren't trained. Maybe tomorrow we can go over the firearms you're carrying and I can familiarize you with how quickly to reload clips. We want to prep those early. Maybe tomorrow night?

And we got hints of this at the end of this where he's like, I'm not doing well.

Maybe, actually, it might be fucking pills. Yeah. Like, here, let's toast to, like, one drink before we go or something.

I was thinking that, and you could... I mean, I wouldn't rule Seth out. I just feel like the whole computer thing is too set up to where it's, like, I feel like... Well, that was when, like, oh, we'll get the records and stuff. Well, yeah, but still, is there something... Maybe. There might be something there. Some technological thing that he's like, here, I'll hit you up.

It's unrealistic right now, but I'm curious. I don't think that's how it's going to play out.

Also, it's just, it's too... I don't know. Schlocky is not the right word. It's like too campy. I feel like him going in and actually shooting people, it just feels so... He may get one or two, but he's not gonna... I don't think that he's gonna fire a gun. You don't think? I don't think so.

Has to. I mean, when I say that, I do not think he is going to get into a firefight. Yeah, I see. I got it. I imagine he will probably shoot and kill somebody, but I don't think it's going to be a thing where it's like, eat it!

And you just, you just would not. I feel like also, I mean, I mean, don't get me wrong, it's disgusting, but do you, I mean, I feel like people would be like, I'm going, that I cannot live with myself for what I've done. Like, that's so. It's, it's literally an Oedipus moment.

Yeah, like she's going to gouge out her eyes and throw herself off a mountain or something like that.

Ich würde lieber mit meiner Schwester sexieren, als die ungewöhnliche Konversation zu haben.

Half. Half.

You couldn't fucking handle it, could you? You couldn't be there for me when it mattered more than anything in the world.

Did you park down the street where I couldn't see, so I couldn't stop you? Kimber. You're a piece of shit.

It should have been you instead of Kyle. Me too. I thought... Alright, alright.

Das bedeutet, was ich denke, dass es macht? Ja. Also planst du, Sam hinterher zu lassen?

Ich muss da sein, um die Wahrheit über Kyle aus Jimmy Prescott zu verbreiten. Und ich werde es wirklich sein.

Wann gehen wir für die Mine?

I don't give a fuck, Sam.

Fine. Perfect. I'm gonna show when you're gonna sleep since you were gone all fucking night. Later you can shoot up the rest of your heroin so that you're useless up there.

But I feel like actually dead relatives, kind of. Don't they? Yeah, yeah, a little bit.

Yeah, well, I think he's looking at it through the lens of big man in charge spends big money.

You know, that kind of thing. Like, oh, wow, so you need bay windows, dad.

Das ist ziemlich verrückt, oder?

Es ist schwer zu sagen. Ich meine, meine Reaktion ist, du lässt diese Art von Sachen passieren, oder du bist einfach wie jemand, der eindeutig vor diesen Dingen sitzt. Es fühlt sich immer... Ja, ja.

Oh. You tell your dad about the girl you like. You're like, I feel like I like this girl. She's beautiful.

And only two years after they left. She's been with him for seven years. Probably even longer.

Yeah, I mean, yes, but still. Instantaneously, yeah.

I'm saying that... He could have married her when he was 14.

I don't remember. It was so long ago, but it's not like you were here, so why do you care? You need to get out of here, Emma. He's dangerous. My husband would never hurt me. I'm the mother of his child. He loves me. You have a kid with my dad? Yes. She's at daycare right now. And she's this whole world. No one else compares. Not even you. Oh.

Er sollte besser einen Rundhaus-Kick dieser Scheiße in den Mund machen, sobald er es kann. Er ist so, oh cool, das ist großartig. Und dann schlägt er sich in ihre Brust.

And it was written sometime later.

I don't want anything to do with... There's a knock at the door. What?

Yeah. And she said that her dad was a two-star general.

He decided that he was going to do this mission because they would make a lot of money for these missions.

I said, I'll go with you. This is going to be a really hard thing. I'll go with you. You know, we can fly down there and, you know, I can support you. And she's like, no, no, it's fine. I'll do it. And she called me at two o'clock in the morning. I'll never freak. She called me at two o'clock in the morning and said that it's done. And he was gone.

She was very, very meshed into my life. She knew my family intimately.

I remember crying in my practice, getting bad news. But then I remember getting really, really great news and then being able to tell her and that kind of stuff. It was a big roller coaster. It was awful. It was awful. Yeah, there was a lot of emotional strife on my part, you know, a lot.

She wanted his perspective. Can you believe this? This is crazy. Someone's making this up. You know, like, why would they do this? Why would they make this up about her? This is insane.

Where's the paperwork? And she's like, I can't find it. I'm like, what? What do you mean you can't find it? You're the most organized person I know. And she's like, then she said, it's all a lie. And I was like, wait, wait. Were you ever in the military?

I literally turned around. And I was going to my work. I turned around, and I went right to her house.

I don't even remember. I don't even remember, like, that drive. I don't remember walking into her house. I remember sitting on her couch and, like, me, like, telling her. asking her, is this real? Is this real? Is this real? Is this real? You know, and she was like, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm still coping with it. I don't want to be upset now. Memories will come up and I'll be like, oh, did that really happen? And I think probably not. It was probably a lie. Because I'll still like be like driving or whatever and then memory will come. And I'll be like, oh, I wonder how Brody's doing. Like things like that, you know, like it's so crazy to me.

I was like, oh my God. I was like, you basically stole money. And I said to her, I go, you're going to go to jail, Sarah. And she's like, you think?

She was really kind. She definitely knew me and she knew, I think, what I wanted to talk about type thing, if that makes sense.

It definitely was her intelligence. I mean, her intelligence just sparked something in me.

She was really quiet and reserved. You know, she answered questions, but very kind of matter-of-fact. Definitely seemed like things she was uncomfortable with, like she didn't want me to look at her hip.

She said they hit an IED, and she got hit with a door that got blown in and hit her in the hip. She wasn't really limping, because this wasn't a brand-new injury. This is something that had happened a long time ago, so it was more like a chronic thing.

It was less than a year after they got married that she said that just the marriage wasn't working out and that they were separated. But she also said they did have an open marriage.

I think, like anything, basically, you just... You spend more time with someone and then you just appreciate who that person is. And then you find yourself wanting to spend more and more time. We just like enjoyed our time together. And then it just turned into more.

Um, let's see. We went to Florida. We went to Vail. We went to the Bahamas. Yeah. Oh, we went to California. And then like, you know, little driving around New England type stuff.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I think it came out of the political arena or what. I don't know, but it's really disconcerting. But do you have a sense when it started or when it came about?

So, you know, it's underlined and, and Maddie, you, you, you touched on this. Um, underline all this are our personal values. So for instance, you know, we value certain things, but yet we might look at the other side just to see what, what's going on.

Like for instance, Matt, you said you, you watch, you know, CNN, you know, because you're more on the, on the, on the liberal side and you adhere more to their thinking. However, When would you watch Fox News, for instance? Well, it wouldn't be to compromise your values. It would just to see how the other ones are coming across. So that's one thing I think we do.

But hopefully, I'm hoping that accurate information... is the call of the day. And that should never compromise our values for sure. Let's talk a little bit about all these different kinds of methods of getting information. So like Facebook, for instance, outpaces all other social media sites as a news source for Americans. Facebook.

So now, you know, if you were to ask Clarence or I, you know, let's just go back 20 years ago, if we were to ask that same question, first of all, it certainly wouldn't have been Facebook. It would have been, you know, I don't know, New York Times, Washington Post, major, you know, even news broadcasts on major television networks. That would have been the answer. But not today.

30%, you know, this is from our background research here, 30% of US adults saying they regularly get news from Facebook.

Yeah. And here's some more information. 86% of Americans get their news on their smartphones. Yeah. Okay. So think about how... how you get the, it's almost like news bites. You don't, you really wonder what percentage of that 86% digs deep into the actual written discussion about it. Or do they just read these headlines?

Right. And, and it's kind of like, you, you wonder whether or not all of this is related to how fast paced we are without the, the ability to really slow down. You know, one, you brought up the idea of, you know, being critical. I remember actually, of course I took in, you know, for my, my doctoral work on how to ask the right questions and,

So, and we would use, we would read particular research articles and we were taught how to be critical thinkers and how to ask, you know, what this means or, you know, dig deeper into subjects. I'm not so sure, you know, I hope, you know, certainly, you know, at the doctoral level that, you know, people still are critical thinkers and learn how to ask the hard questions.

So, all right, let's link it back to health a little bit here. We are seeing, the research is starting to come out that patients suffer from News related stress.

Okay. And, you know, I'm sure, you know, I can certainly say that, you know, I can, I can relate to that, you know, you get to a certain point where you can't hear, you don't want to listen to it anymore. Okay, it's just like, I can't, I can't, I can't hear any more about that particular subject.

Let me give you a for instance, you know, there are wars that are going on as we speak in Ukraine, and in the Middle East and Israel. And You keep hearing about it and there's only so much that you can listen to or get involved with before you get stressed out yourself. And stress is a major health issue. So we have to balance.

Hello, everybody. Welcome to Health Chatter. Today's topic, interesting one. Of course, all our topics are interesting, but this one, fake news. And it's a good follow-up to our last show when we talked about health and politics. So we should see how this one plays out. We've got a great, great crew who I love to recognize. Maddie Levine-Wolf, who's helping us today doing the recording.

We have to learn how to balance the information that we get at the individual level for sure.

Well, that's true.

That's my... You're hearing off.

Correct. And I think that there's a level of engagement at the personal level and at the community level that I think we have to also keep in balance.

Again, for our listening audience, this is really interesting. Obviously, we were getting ready for this show, and in today's Star Tribune, Minneapolis Star Tribune, the editorial in today's paper, August 2nd, 2024, A Bright Spot Amid Vax. vaccination disinformation. So listen to this. A new study from George Washington University yielded surprising yet hopeful findings.

In an area in which disinformation, which we talked about a little bit ago, has undermined the public's confidence in vaccines, researchers documented good news about one important immunization, the hepatitis B vaccine for newborns. The parental refusal rate previously recorded in a study at 12.1% in 2017 plummeted, ready, to 3.5% in 2022, meaning more parents are taking the responsible step

and getting their children vaccinated. This development is an encouraging one. So in other words, all right, you know, at some point, you know, we might have been involved, certainly during COVID, vaccination overload, and it might have had an effect on other vaccinations that we need to get. It's like, oh my God, you know, I can only get poked in my arm so many times, okay?

Or my kid can only get poked in the arm so many times. But that doesn't mean that there wasn't accurate information out there. So in this case, the disinformation was basically put aside and we're seeing positive impacts of the information and people acting appropriately.

Yeah, and who makes the judgment? Whether... And it's just kind of overwhelming when you think about it. It's just like when, certainly when I was growing up, and it's you too, it's like when you think about this, it's like news. You think of news as being accurate and factual and truthful.

You know, I agree. You know what struck me is like information. Where do people go to get health information? So for instance, if you're diagnosed with a particular disease, that you know nothing about. And all of a sudden you're thrust into, you need to know. And so it's like, where do you go for trusted information? Not misinformation, but trusted information.

And like, for instance, if you go to the Centers for Disease Control to look up something, was the center or has been the Center for Disease Control disease control, has their information been compromised? The trust been compromised because of some things that have come out in fake news or information overload that people don't trust at any given time. And so now what happens?

Where do people go to get

Correct. So, Maddie, I've got a question for you. You know, obviously you're a player tonight. We grew up in a... in a generation where we had newspapers, I mean, that were really sources of information, even though they have them today, but people aren't relying on them as much, news broadcasts, et cetera. What do you, Maddie, what do you embrace as far as, I guess, trusted news?

And how is it that you process it?

But now it's kind of like this standard deviation away from that where then we as the public have to make judgments about accuracy and whether it's truthful or whether it's verifiable. It puts kind of the onus on us where It doesn't seem like that that was the focus of what news was all about, whether it be in newspapers or in the social media world, etc.

And finding the balance. You know, it's like we have enough to do just personally our own balance, but then all of a sudden you're barraged with all this information, disinformation, misinformation. Yeah.

You bring up an interesting point about processing. Again, if I reflect on when we received news 20 years ago, we didn't have to process. We really didn't have to, in our mind, we didn't have to determine whether this was good, bad, indifferent, whatever. It was news. You would listen. You would just listen and take it in. Now you have to listen and process it

good, bad, or indifferent going forward. Do you think that's an accurate statement, Clarence?

I agree with that. It isn't as crazy as it is today.

I don't know, Clarence, what do you think? I don't think they were as intense as they are today.

But... You know, I think we're also attracted. I think we're attracted to negative news.

You know, I mean... You know, if it's positive, okay, fine and dandy. But negative, whoa, what? You know, it's kind of like... It kind of really hits us more. And I think the news... the news companies know that.

Huntley and Brinkley.

The title Fake News is kind of almost like a tagline that certainly in the political realm has been embraced. But I think it's going to be around. So I think going forward for all of us, we have to discern truth and make healthy judgments based on the information that's given to us.

Last, last thoughts, Maddie.

I think chatting. is good. I really do about this. Yeah. I mean, this is, you know, you can talk about it with your neighbors, your friends, whatever. And so that, you know, together you can come up with it, you know, a comfort level too. So you don't feel like you're doing this by yourself. Anyway, interesting, interesting subject.

We have a great next show coming up and that's going to be on toxic relationship. So stay tuned for that as well. We hope you enjoyed this show. And to everybody, keep health chatting away.

Yeah, and you know, it seems to me that... if indeed you don't agree for whatever the topic happens to be, and we'll get into health in a second here, but whatever it is, if you don't agree, then it's fake. It automatically is, is fake. But, and anyway, all right.

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You know what I think it is about this fake news stuff? Even if you don't, even if you know it's wrong, I think it, To a certain extent, it's almost like a form of entertainment. You know, when you get to the point where you say, geez, that's totally counter to what I think. God, this is kind of different. And so it's like people kind of gravitate to it because of that.

Because it's so different than what... It's out of the norm.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Entertainment and or trying to maybe get a handle on the other side of the equation. You know, it's kind of like, OK, maybe I should just listen to this, whatever it may be, just to see what the hell's been they're saying here, just so I can I can make. more of a personal judgment on it. But anyway, for our listening audience, here's some interesting stuff.

All right, so what's the difference between misinformation and disinformation? All right, so listen up. Misinformation is false or inaccurate information. Disinformation is is false information which is deliberately intended to mislead. Intentionally misstating the facts. So now I'm gonna link us a little bit with health here. I think, you know, and Maddie and Clarence chime in on this.

I think we were really deep into fake news during the COVID pandemic. And I really think, you know, I'm sure there'll be research on this or information about this coming out, but I think it was detrimental. And I think it hurt us. I think it really, really hurt us. And it got to the point where the public was saying things like, what am I supposed to believe here?

And you can check us, Health Chatter, out at healthchatterpodcast.com for all the different shows. And you can check in on all the research that's done for all of our shows as well. Check us out. Today, fake news. So it's going to be Clarence and I and Maddie are going to be discussing this topic. Boy, I'll tell you, I don't even know when the concept, Clarence, of fake news hit the scene.

I know. It's just like, At what point do you embrace truth as best as you can? At what point do you embrace... as best we can at the time, research and medical science in order for us as the human race to get through as best we possibly can with minimal negative effects. And a lot of that was compromised. It was just insane. So Manny, I want to pull you in on this one. Do you think that...

Fake news really came to be because of all the social media. Do you think that that's what really drove it? Or what do you think, in your estimation, drove this whole concept of fake news?

This is a stupid question.

Man, you can get gas anywhere. Just drill down the ground. Just drill down the ground. You get gas. Oh, man.

I thought you meant Trump.

Andrew got a root. Yes, he does. He's going to show us. We might cringe a little, cover our eyes, maybe even gag more. It's on the way.

That made me dizzy. I love that. I hate that.

It's just them running back and forth trying to find something. Use this!

It is fascinating what they choose to put at the beginning of songs and stuff like that. Especially like hip hop songs. That's pretty obvious.

Turn my mic on. I have no snake.

Because it was on purpose that I left it in. Of course it was. Because I'm good at my job.

Andy said peace on earth. Yeah, peace on earth. That's the usual.

Cool. It is nice to have things that we're not going to get, huh? I mean, headphones in the gym. That's the thing. I use the Beat headphones to work out, but they say they're not sweat resistant. So it's like, how can you work out in headphones?

I see people working out in headphones.

It's called her daddy.

That's so cool. I've heard a lot of cool things. That was pretty cool.

You guys have to.

So the parents are watching something and the kids are in a room just answering what the parent is looking at.

I don't know. That is the craziest. That would be, oh man, I don't understand. Like that'd be scary as a kid. I feel like. Yeah. I mean, you wouldn't even know any different, I guess.

No, that just confirms that it legitimately is a superpower. For real. There's just more you look into it.

Wait a minute. What are you? Well, don't act surprised, Josh. I'm kind of ticked off because you sent out a text to the group chat. You said, let's be angels for Christmas episode. You didn't specify. So I am Chris Angel Mindfree.

Try it. One through 20. Say a number. One through 20. On the count of three.

No. Get it?

No.

Oh my goodness.

You tell him. Do you tell her?

She hadn't found him yet.

Heightens the other ones.

That being a naturally occurring part of communication.

Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. That's weird.

Let's get the words permitted on the podcast. We'll make sure this is true.

Yeah, I mean, they're probably a small app. You want to help them out.

Right. Sure. Yeah.

What's up with that? Yeah, that's definitely common with that, with the NDs, all that stuff. It doesn't make sense.

That's it. You don't talk about it.

Charge bright like a diamond.

Mind me. Can you do any tricks? You think that was unplanned? Dang it, I thought it was just like... Oh, can you pull that tablecloth off?

I'll take a B battery. If there was a... B battery. I think that's a Dimitri Martin.

So how does it last 5,000 years?

Interesting, huh?

Where do you think we are?

Okay. But yeah, I have a lot of magic tricks. Obviously, Josh, I made Shaq levitate. I walked up on the side of buildings. I was born in fire. Do you understand me, Lily? I was born in fire so much it runs in my DNA.

Hey, he could come back. He could bounce back.

Dude, 200 years of spaghetti. Sign me up. I'm so full of too much spaghetti. Thank you for using spaghetti. That's the only funny part of the whole story.

I'm going to come up with a word. That's not even a word you come up with. You have to come up with it.

You were looking for a reason to say spaghetti. Someone gave her a word. She's like, hey, work this in somehow. Okay, I'll guess. I don't know how I'm going to do it.

Somebody named that awful joke.

What is up with us roasting radiation people?

It's always been those. There was a microwave guy.

Yeah, we can't even say. No! I can't even remember what was what. Something Wong. Yeah. Terrible. But they said it seriously. I know, but the second one, we need to play the clip because it's crazy, but the last one's inappropriate. The second one was, we do love you.

Explain that, atheists. I can't. Doubters, ye of little faith. I am Criss Angel. I am Mind Freak. Merry Christmas.

It's best when they don't even realize they said it. They don't. Just move right past it.

I'm just going to bow and just start poking needles and stuff.

Yeah, like my desk drawer is always holding up and I got to dig in.

Or I could literally be Mr. Ouchie for three days in the hospital.

You know they say podcasting is actually the most dangerous job in America? I've actually heard that. Yeah.

So everyone, if you could thank us for our service, I'd really appreciate it.

What's that?

You want to hear some Criss Angel quotes? Yeah, dude. Pain is a beautiful thing. When you feel pain, you know you're alive. I am the mind freak. There's no reality. Just this world of illusion that keeps on haunting me. Cool. When you think like a child, your imagination is free and anything is possible.

No one was. It wasn't. It was just me. I just happened to be in a costume when I was doing a normal thing.

There was a time. He floated over the Grand Canyon. I also walked on the side of a building in Las Vegas. I did.

What do you think about David Blaine, Chris Angel? Dude. I don't know. Why don't you just ask me what do I think of third graders' projects in art class? Garbage. Whoa. Sorry, guys. Sorry. Sorry to all the third graders in art class right now. Come on, Chris. David Blaine is a cheap magician. I about said musician. He has an album. It's just as terrible as his magic. Dang. Chris.

I'll fight you, David Blaine.

Wait, are you calling out David Blaine right now? I'm calling out David Blaine right now. Are you going to have a magic off? I'll take all the magic off right now. January 1st, Las Vegas, the sphere. We're fighting. Magic off. Me and David Blaine. Get your tickets now in the bio. It's going to look weird. You're going to say SunnyCoolSwag.com.

All the time.

Honestly, dude, that would make so much sense. If it was Jake Paul versus Chris Angel, and somehow Chris Angel just... In terms of inside out, bully spaghettism, just like in my life. Winner! Joe Rogan's crying. That would be great. Make it happen.

January 1st. The Sphere. Me and DB. Magic off.

Gross. It's like the kid in fifth grade that could show you the eyelid trick. You're like, ew. I mean, cool, but ew. That reaction was perfect.

Isn't that cool that I puked a frog out? Yeah, but also it's a huge medical problem. It's an amphibious creature inside your bowels. It's not okay.

My friend.

David Blaine's stuff is messed up. His special with his celebrities, when he goes into the celebrity houses and stuff like that, like Denzel Washington, literally in their house, showing them straight up.

So cool. Harrison Ford.

Right now? Chris Angel, myself. Yeah, he has a residency in Las Vegas right now. Oh, man, that's cool. The angel is still flying, baby. Flap those wings. The magic don't stop.

There is no reality. It was honestly like it felt so edgy and cool to watch when you were a kid. Yeah. What channel was it on? I'm trying to remember what channel.

Man, it feels good. Christmas, man.

It's like a card game, but if the Ouija board was a card game, that's Pokemon. Basically. Hey, what's your question? Should we let her do her thing?

Spiders. You eat 50 spiders a year in your sleep. That's not true. Okay, 60.

Technicality over here.

Our favorite guests. Which she's been gone for a long time, Anthony.

It's the penitentiary. Dogs go in pens sometimes. They have fun, right? Penitentiary. What kind of spiders? Oh, good question. They're alive?

You were, but we never really celebrated your birthday.

Can you kill them? With your teeth. With your teeth? They have to be alive. Oh, you got to crunch them? But it is a mixed bag. So there are small ones like daddy long legs.

Just real quick. And then there's probably like one medium sized tarantula. Probably the biggest it gets, right? I'm doing spider.

Because if I go to prison, I'm going to want to stay there because I've become so popular. I'm just going to just become everyone's friend. It's going to be a good time.

There's only pens allowed. It's not a pencil, Terry. I don't know.

We didn't expect you would. We know you wouldn't.

You're going spiders? I feel like I can make a real quick meal out of it. Six months, weeks in a federal prison.

Relax. Six weeks still. That's a month and a half. That's crazy. Chill out.

The BTK, a lot of serial killers are still in prison. So would you want to go to a specific prison?

Is there somebody in prison that you would want to be bunked with right now?

Oh, Martha. Imagine the cooking in the toilet.

Oh, that would be fun if we just picked one episode out of next year. It might be.

That's like basically how she said it.

Yeah. You know, you know, when you goof up, you know, goop up, you know, you know, Mickey, Minnie, Donald, goop, goopy. Why do they call it goop troop?

You never know.

It's not going to happen. A year's going to pass and we'll be like, we never did that, did we?

I wouldn't last one night.

I think I'm still... That they would just beat up in front of everyone.

Happy birthday, Lily.

So scary. That's drone operated, dude. Dude, right?

Just chills there.

I've never seen that.

That would honestly be a scary horror movie. Who sent it?

So what's the definition of a drone? Just a remotely operated flying vehicle? Yeah. Because we have drones this big, but then when you say a drone the size of a car, I feel like that's in a different category than drone. For real, though. Yeah.

Yeah, because it almost gets to the point where if that happens, especially if there's a ton of them, and it causes a lot of panic, isn't that illegal? You can't incite. Maybe it's riots. You can't incite federally. It's illegal to incite riots or chaos where people could potentially be put in dangerous situations. This seems like you're aching people on.