Sam Kamani

And it was all right.

And none of them are open source.

You can run it on your own, a Mac studio or something if you have a powerful sort of solution.

But I didn't go to that stage.

I mean, I didn't go and deploy it.

But you would live more firsthand with a lot of these models and you would get an idea of what's happening before anyone else.

You know, even in creating a product, there's lots of different aspects to creating a product.

There is the good branding, the good visual UI, like lots of different aspects that goes into it.

You build a company, you build startups, you would appreciate there's so many aspects of it.

If coding is no longer the mode or the barrier to entry, what do you feel like is the biggest barrier to entry for any startup to be successful, any new very early stage startup to be successful now?

Ethereum did really well building the community back in the early days.

It was the first one to do that.

I mean, probably second one.

BTC was very, very organic.

Ethereum, I would say, was intentional to get to that community thing back in 2014, 15, 16, all those years.

Where do you see the next community building?

Is there any particular place that you have come across?

Yes, Junos Ares and Thailand before that.

I'll be there.

I'll be there.