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which ended up spurring an investigation by the House Committee on Energy and Commerce announced in September.

I did not know that that committee was listening to the Pablo Torre Finds Out podcast.

Yes, come for the weed episodes, stay for the Chinese brainwaves.

Yeah, it's a bit girthier, this story, for sure, absolutely.

If you can just get in front of him, you've got a shot.

The reason people are doing this is because it works.

I mean, there's a couple examples.

Like, there's this guy, Trevor Milton.

I don't know if you remember that company, Nikola.

They had those giant trucks.

And the scam was that there was this video they posted of this massive truck coming down a hill.

And it turned out the truck didn't actually have an engine or anything.

They were just dragging it down.

And he hired a guy named Brad Bondi.

And if the reason that last name is familiar to you, it is because his sister is Pam Bondi, the United States Attorney General.

And Milton gets pardoned and ends up on Tucker Carlson as a conservative icon guy.

Another one that I love is CZ, the guy who ran Binance, you know, the bête noire of Sam Bankman-Fried.

Yes, FTX's rival.

Exactly.

Went to prison and his indictment was one of my favorite ones ever.