Sam McDowell

to be the anchor of your pitching staff even as much as your starting staff.

So I always think there's just the market for that is tough.

Yeah, yeah.

It's just like there's some of those deals that have gone over the past couple of years, and I don't remember the exact ones off the top of my head.

They're just like, wow, that is pricey for relievers.

That market's been...

it's been good to have relievers if you are one of those teams out of contention, to your point.

Because, like, everyone's got somebody that they can deal.

But also, you know, I mean, what's the contract look like?

How many years of service is that situation?

And, I mean, that's the credit that I think J.J.

deserves more than anything is the last couple of years of the trade deadline, he's avoided rentals.

And it's been trying to improve the staff over multiple years rather than just, you know, three months.

Yeah, or it is, you know, a situation where it's just somebody's in a role that you didn't anticipate they would be in that role, which is like they are doing with Avila.

I mean, it's situations like that where...

It's, hey, we didn't anticipate this guy would be in the Major League bullpen, but that's where we need him most.

Yeah, I guess somewhere in between is where I land.

I mean, I still think there are some plate appearances with him where even after he takes a swing, sometimes where he sort of looks –

Like, what was that?

Which I think sometimes he takes a swing with the rest of us.