Sam McKee

He came in guns a-blazing, ready to change the culture and blazed some people with the guns, apparently.

Yeah, I don't know.

Well, and Stauffer had some comments to the effect of that he interviewed with the Oilers brass.

Like, sorry, that Babcock did these interviews, and they held his feet to the fire, and they grilled him, and they came out of that meeting saying, we want to do this.

This, we want someone who's going to push guys.

Torch doesn't get hired because he's an X's and O's wizard.

He gets hired because he holds people's feet to the fire.

You sure do, huh?

You know, I think if you look at all professional sports, Kip, like, it's not like if you went to the NBA and said, does everyone love Phil Jackson or Pat Riley, that there weren't guys that were like, no, he's terrible.

But those guys had a certain way about him that convinced players to play.

If you went to the NFL, you'd find the same thing.

I think you'd find it...

Maybe the most in the NFL.

And it is a competitive, get-the-most-out-of-guys job.

And as much as we want it to be one that is welcoming and everyone's positive and that the sport has moved that way and should move that way generally, it's tough to get that extra 1% or 2% out of guys.

And if that's not the job, I don't know what it is.

That's the job.

That's the job.

So you're going to get guys like that.

I don't know if Babs is the answer for them.