Sam Parr

And eventually leadership's going to be required and matter.

And you don't have a place to learn that, you know, it's not, there's no book that teaches, Oh, here you're,

founder you want to learn to lead people like and it's not discussed much but but the zuckerbergs of the world i know for a fact that larry and sergey there's this gentleman named bill campbell who's unfortunately passed he was trillion dollar coach yes there's campbell was there 10 years after the ipo he was still running the weekly team meetings with larry and sir where they just

bad leaders i mean what what i don't know steve jobs used bill also so i i don't know that that makes him bad i'm just highlighting the fact that there's no reason

from a DNA standpoint, that a founder should naturally be able to lead a thousand people.

Because there's a skill set required to lead a thousand people and no one's taught it to you.

Can you learn it?

Yeah, I think you can learn it.

I think certain people have.

I think Zuckerberg's learned it.

I think Bezos didn't have any leadership skills going in.

Like he had never run a large team before.

What do you suggest to someone to learn how to be a better leader?

Get to know Bill Campbell, but that's no longer with us.

So, you know, I've often said,

Um, get two or three mentors that have ran large groups.

They will all have their leadership philosophy and patterns and try those on and see which one fits you the best.

So maybe that's maybe in the middle between, between the authentic and not like you having a philosophy.

Programming philosophy is better than none.

I can't tell you how many founders have gotten to like 200 employees and they're not running a weekly meeting.