Sam Parr

And it requires having both the conviction to make that kind of pivot and move and then the ability to get the people to follow you.

It would be a good exercise for someone to kind of write down the leadership techniques of Jeff Bezos, because Amazon remained innovative after it got to like 100,000 employees.

And that's very hard to do.

It's not one human.

It's one human creating a system that reinforces whatever he thought.

You see what I'm saying?

And like.

How do you make that system keep doing that even after, you know, on days you're not there?

And him and Elon, I just don't think people fully grok how they're able to lead.

I don't know anyone that laughs louder than Jeff Bezos.

If you've been around him, when he lets go one of his guffaws, man.

And I think he really loves life.

I'm just saying, I don't think there's a correlation.

I mean, I...

every chance i get if toby from shopify does a podcast or something i'm eating it up and i find his attitude on leadership in life to be light-hearted you know he seems like another one of these product leadership guys he's got a very unique flavor of leadership

I have met him, but I don't know him as well.

I mean, I think it would be heavily dependent on what interests them.

Or rather, what made the biggest impact on you?

I don't know if I was reading biographies at 17.

I really got into reading when I got to business school.