Sam Parr

Then 07, 08, 09, it starts to take off because other mortgage lenders during the financial crisis, the subprime mortgage crisis, they went under because they were writing bad mortgages.

He was not.

And so they picked up tons of business.

So they grew literally 10X in those years and grew and grew and grew.

And so now they do like, I don't know,

over $200 billion in loans, $2 billion a year in profit at the company level.

So he's one of the wealthiest, 50 wealthiest people in the country at this point.

No, it was just his own 12-person side hustle.

Yeah, Dan Gilbert also is in the mortgage business.

I don't know if there's any others.

Definitely those two and their rivals.

So he's talking to this guy.

So I walk in and I think they're about to fight.

They're not fighting at all.

They're both just passionate.

And they're both talking about, dude, you've got to be in the details.

And so he said this story that I thought was really great.

One of the things is if you weren't on the private jet, we tried to get you on one of their private jets on the way out.

And so my buddy Romain got to ride with him on the way home.

And I was like, what's the story?