Sam Simmons

And, and then when it came to folks that were in our program, one of the things that was consistent of a, probably about 69, 70% of the folks had some type of, uh, family trauma.

Now, you know, people might say, well, you know, uh,

Bad things happen in every family, but there was specific types of trauma that showed up most often.

Chemical dependency in the family, domestic violence in the family was two of the big ones, and mental health and trauma in the family, right?

And how people, because a lot of the folks that we dealt with in the program were high achievers.

And so what I figured out was that there was three sociably acceptable ways for people to kind of cover their trauma.

And that was with perfectionism, caretaking, and workaholism.

You know, the idea of staying busy, right?

You know, caretaking, for example, a lot of the folks

who a portion of the folks who came to the program were in the care professions, like counselors, doctors, therapists, and those kind of things.

And I always say, I'd rather get in your business because I can't handle mine.

And if you talk to a lot of folks who work in therapy, sometimes you'll hear this story

in the background about them working through their own stuff and went to school, got their education, you know, that kind of thing.

And so that would be what I observed in the mainstream because that was across the board, you know.

But again, I want to emphasize the sociably acceptable ways of covering up your trauma is those kind of things.

You know, it's like think about working with a hardcore perfectionist

who's never happy about their stuff.

And they wonder why they might not have a lot of friends when they're injured because they don't, you know, how do you be a consistent friend with somebody who don't realize they remind you of what's wrong with you?

You know, and just being around them, right?

And so like, they would be injured, their family,