Sam Simmons

And then they would say, well, my family don't help me.

Well, you never allowed your family to help you, right?

And so how did they all of a sudden start helping you now?

And back in the pain clinic, what I loved was talking to the kids.

Because the kids would tell me everything.

Right.

They, you know, like, yeah, daddy is a pain in the butt.

I used to, you know, cause he worked all the time, you know, and now all of a sudden he's home all the time and wanted to give us new rules and, and want to move everything around the house and things to then act like we supposed to be happy about that.

And, and, and the good thing is it made them have to hear what the family had to say.

So that was the, really the foundation of that whole, that kind of thing.

Cause,

I never used to talk about trauma.

I used to talk about it's time to deal with the pain and the emotional, physical, and psychological pain and how we overcompensate if one of those areas feels to come up short.

And which led me more later on to working more into the community and specifically in the African-American community because in the hospitals,

That would have been a mixed audience and probably lean more non-African-American in the work.

So luckily, I started with that background and worked into the community.

Well, the interesting thing is, again, we're kind of talking about a couple of different groups.

It's like the group that I was dealing with in the hospital where most, when we finally, towards the end of the program, majority of our clients were middle-class individuals, okay, who would actually say they didn't have a problem, right?

And so...

And so you're talking about chronic pain that we're also talking about one of the interesting areas around the opioid emissions, right?