Sam Tannenhaus

You've told us all that.

But tell us a little bit about yourself.

Are you interested in birds?

And Hiss says, oh, yeah.

And...

Vital says, you ever see a prothonotary warbler?

He said, you bet I did.

I saw one right here in the canal.

And like... They'd heard the story before.

They'd heard it from Chambers.

And they're thinking, there's no way this guy makes up that Alger Hiss had seen this bird that... So it's little details like that.

Yeah.

And, you know, and I'll say...

We don't see this level of exactitude with our legislators now.

about this uh committee yeah well what happened is they start seeing the evidence and they think okay the bird watching thing gets the guys in committee realize this guy's lying under oath he's purging himself and then they start doing the research and that's what they were good at back then steven we've been talking about this before in those days the congressional committee would really do the work

and they started not like today they were serious people serious people they're hunting down car leases uh they see uh chambers at one point that hiss had given him a had had given him a car which they found uh and um and hiss admitted that he'd given him the car but he said chambers had known him under a different name he'd known chambers under a different name george crosley and you know all this stuff is starting to pile up and so and they realized that well they've got one thing

They know that Hiss is lying about whether he knew Chambers,

But how does that prove that he'd known him as a communist?

And so they say to Chambers, look, we get it.

We get it.