Sanae De Boer

So it was very probably produced in the Netherlands then brought to Italy and transported to Australia.

Yes, I believe it's their largest part of their income.

They do, of course, also make a lot of money from just public contracts and some extortion.

not always extortion as in asking for protection money directly, but often also forcing people to buy products that are really highly priced.

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

In our country is a lot of investments in hospitality sector, but it could be anything.

And I believe also in Australia, there's, of course, the construction sector, the agriculture, many, many areas.

What we've seen in investigations usually is that Ndrangheta clans collaborate with other more violent criminal groups in all these territories so that what they actually do is that they come away with, they get away with it basically because the more violent criminal groups get targeted by law enforcement and they... Yes.

And that's what was brought to light by Operation Ironside in Australia.

Was it 2022?

Yes.

That the motorcycle, the outlaw motorcycle gangs were actually collaborating with the Drangeta in the drug smuggling.

Prime as a service, they call it this, I believe.

Yeah, yeah.

They're especially cruel to their members.

A lot of the membership, well, that membership in principle is passed on from father to son.

So it's all these men in families and you can, there are arranged marriages between women in the clans.

with other clans that they might want to collaborate with or they might have to sort of have a peace offering with after a feud.

So it's a very family-based, which helps them, of course, to keep all the criminal information safe and sound within the family walls.

They're very important.