Sander Schulhoff

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Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth · AI prompt engineering in 2025: What works and what doesn’t | Sander Schulhoff (Learn Prompting, HackAPrompt) · 19 Jun 2025 podcast

You know, the the there are many, many bad things that AIs uh can help people do and provide uplift, uh, make it easier for people to do, easier for novices to do.

Uh, and so we're studying that problem uh and running these events in a crowdsourced setting, which is the best way to do it.

Uh because if you look at like contracted AI red teams, maybe they get paid by the hour, not super incentivized to do a great job, but in this competition setting, people are massively incentivized.

And even when they have solved the problem, uh the we we've set it up so like you're incentivized to find shorter and shorter solutions.

Uh it's it's a game, it's a video game.

Uh so people will keep trying to find those shorter, better

solutions.

From my perspective as like a

A researcher, it's amazing data, and we can go and like publish cool papers and and do cool analyses and do a lot of work with like uh for-profit, nonprofit research labs and also independent researchers.

But from competitors' perspectives, it's an amazing learning experience, a way to make money, a way to get into the AI red teaming field.

Uh and so through learn prompting, through ed uh hack prompt, we've been edu able to educate uh

many, many of uh millions of people uh on prompt engineering and AI red team.

Absolutely.

uh that is that's what we're doing.

And these are I mean these are like weapons to some extent, uh especially as companies are producing agents that could have real world harms.

Governments are looking into this strongly.

Uh security and intelligence communities.

So it's a really, really serious problem.

Uh and you know I think

It really hit me recently when I was preparing for our uh current seaburn track, uh focuses on chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, and explosives harms.

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